New Car - Suggestions please need help

Barks · 10 Feb 2011 at 23:10

[TW]Fox;18440339 said:
When? You've never bought a car, you don't own a car. How can you participate in a discussion on car ownership when you have never owned a car?

Of course they offer the same warranty, how can you not know this? A brand new car doesn't have less warranty cover when its 7 months old does it? Therefore a 6 month old car, by logic, will have the same cover!

You don't have to worry about the engine blowing up on a 6 month old car either. This is where you are just completely out of touch with reality and appear to know nothing of the subject your are attempting to discuss.

I thought you had participated in post-graduate Education. I'm speaking in the first person in a hypothetical sense in the explanation of my point. Pretty standard way of making a point.

I should have clarified that my points were when you buy second hand from the actual manufacturer. They usually will offer reduced warranty periods than buying brand new, clearly of course this isn't the case buying second hand from an independent seller.

ZG002 · 10 Feb 2011 at 23:11

Fox I really don't know why we are even bothering. Like you say, He has never bought a car full stop.

In the last 2 years. I have bought a new car and a 2nd hand car from a dealers with warranty. Both as far as I'm concerned posed the same risk, and will not be buying new again.

Most people who buy new, Either don't know better or have the money to not care.

[TW]Fox · 10 Feb 2011 at 23:12

Nobody needs you to provide them with a therotical lecture from a textbook on factors affecting the buyer decision making progress.

People here are advising him that there are rationally better ways of buying a car not disputing the reasons people purchase new. Keep reading through that textbook and you'll come across the section on buyer perception - you've probably got a dictionary there so look up the word perception and then try and work out the part perception plays in said decision making process.

Everyone knows why people buy new cars - this doesn't mean we cannot advise that the OP doesn't.

Janesy B · 10 Feb 2011 at 23:12

scott212 said:
I thought you had participated in post-graduate Education. I'm speaking in the first person in a hypothetical sense in the explanation of my point. Pretty standard way of making a point.

I should have clarified that my points were when you buy second hand from the actual manufacturer. They usually will offer reduced warranty periods than buying brand new, clearly of course this isn't the case buying second hand from an independent seller.

I was always under the impression that the manufacturer's warranty remains the same? So if a car has 5 years manufacturer warranty, it's still in force even if the car was bought privately? I'm getting a strong whiff of BS.

ZG002 · 10 Feb 2011 at 23:12

scott212 said:
I should have clarified that my points were when you buy second hand from the actual manufacturer. They usually will offer reduced warranty periods than buying brand new, clearly of course this isn't the case buying second hand from an independent seller.

What?

Barks · 10 Feb 2011 at 23:12

If I may accept your point, then I haven't bought 100 cars before and I'm no 'expert.' I'm still just trying to make the point that the difference in price people are willing to pay incorporates many things.

DM · 10 Feb 2011 at 23:13

scott212 said:
I thought you had participated in post-graduate Education. I'm speaking in the first person in a hypothetical sense in the explanation of my point. Pretty standard way of making a point.

I should have clarified that my points were when you buy second hand from the actual manufacturer. They usually will offer reduced warranty periods than buying brand new, clearly of course this isn't the case buying second hand from an independent seller.

He is talking about buying from the manufacturer, everyone in this thread is on about buying from the manufacturer.

When the warranty runs out, you renew it if you are a worrier.

[TW]Fox · 10 Feb 2011 at 23:15

Janesy B said:
I was always under the impression that the manufacturer's warranty remains the same? So if a car has 5 years manufacturer warranty, it's still in force even if the car was bought privately? I'm getting a strong whiff of BS.

He hasn't got a clue what he's talking about, he never has. If you buy a 1 year old Astra from 'BOBS ***** TRADERZ INC' provided it has FSH it still has the balance of the new car warranty, ready for the new owner to take advantage of, despite the purchasing source.

Janesy B · 10 Feb 2011 at 23:16

[TW]Fox;18440430 said:
He hasn't got a clue what he's talking about, he never has. If you buy a 1 year old Astra from 'BOBS ***** TRADERZ INC' provided it has FSH it still has the balance of the new car warranty, ready for the new owner to take advantage of, despite the purchasing source.

Thought as much.

ZG002 · 10 Feb 2011 at 23:18

scott212 said:
If I may accept your point, then I haven't bought 100 cars before and I'm no 'expert.' I'm still just trying to make the point that the difference in price people are willing to pay incorporates many things.

The many things are not what the op wants a new car for.

He gives the reason as being risk basically (wants a warranty)

A nearly new car is perfect for the op. He will save money or b-able to get a better car for his money. He will have a decent warranty (which he can extend).

Your point is lost in this thread, As no one cares why some people like to buy new. It's not what the op asked for.

[TW]Fox · 10 Feb 2011 at 23:20

It still amazes me that Tommy B, no wait sorry scott212, wasn't banned for having two accounts when he 'reinvited himself' (Oh I mean he 'forgot his password' so registered a new account with a totally different first name....) from Tommy to Scott after everyone stopped taking him seriously before.

Barks · 10 Feb 2011 at 23:21

[TW]Fox;18440406 said:
Nobody needs you to provide them with a therotical lecture from a textbook on factors affecting the buyer decision making progress.

People here are advising him that there are rationally better ways of buying a car not disputing the reasons people purchase new. Keep reading through that textbook and you'll come across the section on buyer perception - you've probably got a dictionary there so look up the word perception and then try and work out the part perception plays in said decision making process.

Everyone knows why people buy new cars - this doesn't mean we cannot advise that the OP doesn't.

That's the point I was making though. Hence why my personal experiences are irrelevant. What is 'rationality' anyway?

No point in continuing this, new cars sell for reasons we have discussed.

[TW]Fox;18440474 said:
It still amazes me that Tommy B, no wait sorry scott212, wasn't banned for having two accounts when he 'reinvited himself' (Oh I mean he 'forgot his password' so registered a new account with a totally different first name....) from Tommy to Scott after everyone stopped taking him seriously before.

This is why so many people get fed up with you. It's a pointless dig - signature Fox - and has nothing to do with anything really. If you're so concerned why don't you email an admin and suggest I have my account banned?

[TW]Fox · 10 Feb 2011 at 23:28

scott212 said:
No point in continuing this, new cars sell for reasons we have discussed.

I don't beleive this thread is entitled 'Outline the reasons a consumer might purchase a new vehicle over a used vehicle, with consideration given to the buyer decision making process. (10 Marks)'.

Do you?

It seems to be a thread about a guy who is about to waste a load of money on a bottom of the range brand new car, and who is receiving some decent advice from other people, some of whom have made the mistake of a base new car before.

And a load of pointless 'look at my theory' guff from yourself.

This is why so many people get fed up with you. It's a pointless dig - signature Fox - and has nothing to do with anything really.

Oh it does - it clearly demonstrates you have form for this sort of pointless irrelevence, so much form you felt the only way to continue was to pretend you were somebody else to rid yourself of of the 'reputation' you got as 'Tommy B'.

Barks · 10 Feb 2011 at 23:37

I can understand how you would arise at that conclusion but it's incorrect. Furthermore, I don't honestly think anyone really cares apart from yourself.

I wasn't actually trying to say that advice asking the OP to buy second hand was bad advice, I just fancied discussing 'the buyer decision making process' as you aptly described it!

Relentless81 · 11 Feb 2011 at 10:33

I've seen brand new cars sit in the dealers for weeks on end while the customer battles for warranty replacement faults

Participant · 11 Feb 2011 at 12:29

Valid reasons for buying a new car:

- The purchaser absolutely cannot stand the thought that someone else has owned and driven the car before they have (apart from road test miles).
- The desired spec cannot be achieved second hand.
- A fantastic deal on a new price.
- You are so rich you don't care.

It's certainly true that buying a car new does not guarantee hassle-free motoring. As Relentless81 hints, many dealers will kick up a massive stink to avoid swallowing warranty costs.....buying a twelve month old car potentially lessens this hassle, as somebody else has probably sorted all the initial warranty issues out, then the second purchaser has another two years of warranty to fall back on.

Mucky_Pup · 11 Feb 2011 at 12:50

[TW]Fox;18440430 said:
He hasn't got a clue what he's talking about, he never has. If you buy a 1 year old Astra from 'BOBS ***** TRADERZ INC' provided it has FSH it still has the balance of the new car warranty, ready for the new owner to take advantage of, despite the purchasing source.

It'll have a 3 year warranty as far as I know, that's the law isn't it? But that Vauxhall 100,000k miles, lifetime warranty thing only applies to first owner doesn't it, unless it doesn't count if a trader has registered it, I dunno.

[TW]Fox · 11 Feb 2011 at 12:54

Mucky_Pup said:
It'll have a 3 year warranty as far as I know, that's the law isn't it? But that Vauxhall 100,000k miles, lifetime warranty thing only applies to first owner doesn't it, unless it doesn't count if a trader has registered it, I dunno.

The Vauxhall lifetime warranty is a special case - and he isnt only considering the Vauxhall

Bry · 11 Feb 2011 at 16:36

Ok, I see what people are saying with regards to a new vs used car and I accept that. If I see any 1 year old cars I like I may very well go for one but as I am fussy I might not be able to get something I really like for my money. As I want a car to last me preferably ten years or so I do want a car that is perfect and hence why I believe new gives me greater choice in this regard. I still think I will end up buying new as I really like the idea of having a brand new car.

Thank you to the people that have actually made some suggestions with regards to what car to go for as that is really what I am interested in as I don't really know what cars are better than what.
If anyone else has any more car suggestions (new or used but preferably new) then please let me know

DM · 11 Feb 2011 at 16:40

Bry said:
Ok, I see what people are saying with regards to a new vs used car and I accept that. If I see any 1 year old cars I like I may very well go for one but as I am fussy I might not be able to get something I really like for my money. As I want a car to last me preferably ten years or so I do want a car that is perfect and hence why I believe new gives me greater choice in this regard. I still think I will end up buying new as I really like the idea of having a brand new car.

Thank you to the people that have actually made some suggestions with regards to what car to go for as that is really what I am interested in as I don't really know what cars are better than what.
If anyone else has any more car suggestions (new or used but preferably new) then please let me know

Thank god for people like you, so i can buy a bargain in 2 years, enjoy that new car feeling