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New car project thread w/updates!

After MM8 I had planned more modifications on my Rover, however I didnt feel that it would have increased speed on B roads due to the road handling. This and a few other factors (not wanting to spend so much on it that I wouldnt see back) led me to sell it.

So with the Rover gone I started to look for a replacement, had to be fairly pokey on A and B roads, with suspension that doesnt destroy you and make you cringe if you go over a pothole. And it also had to be pretty much trackday ready, so I had to be able to fit in with a helmet on as well as it being up to the task.

I have ended up with one of the most successful cars in motorsport in its class.

Described by [TW]Fox:

[21:09] <@Fox---> wow
[21:09] <@Fox---> you went from ******* epic fail car owner to win in like ONE ACTION
[21:09] <@Fox---> more detailz

The previous owner had it for 6 years and its had a lot of money spent on it last year, with a new cambelt, new clutch, new radiator, new suspension, new brake friction material amongst others!

Faults are, the engine management light is on, and the fuel gauge works but is inaccurate.

And it cost me £4000.

Can you guess what it is yet!

:p
 
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should have got a DC2, regardless of what it is btw.

:D

You should know what it is... ;)

Photos from the seller.

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That actually looks really tidy, what is the interior trim like?

The interior is like this, minus the WRC badge on the glovebox, looks a bit odd in the photograph. The seats are nice and comfy infact! White dials will be going.

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They are almost the same as the 306 GTI-6 yes. Same engine (167bhp) but come with a 5 speed gearbox which is better than the 6 speed imo its still a short gearbox, and 21mm rear torsion bars which are stiffer, the GTI-6 has 20's.

They are Speedline Turini's as Mr LOL said, missing one centre cap, so took the other side off to match, will get some off ebay cheap enough.
 
The wheels are Speedline Turinis. And the car features a rotrex supercharger :)

Nice, lets just hope it doesn't get chronic electric failure like my VTS and be rendered useless on your drive :(

It came with a free S.Loeb. :D

Boooo! Spoilsport!

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Should be 260bhp and 220lb/ft.

Plans are to fit an additional oil cooler, renaultsport brembos (already have the calipers), change the IC piping for some mandrel bent stuff.

Hoon the cack out of it at Anglesey in August. :D
 
Immense!

All that work but a standard exhaust?

No LSD yet.

My wallet needs time to recover from being royally raped. I had planned to spend around £2000-2500, so doubling my original budget leaves not much in the pot!

Its only a standard backbox, decat and miltek centre. Not sure how much power if any is being sapped by having the standard backbox on, but its nice and quiet keeping it subtle and saving my hearing on the motorway!

No bad points to speak of, you can pootle around easily enough, its not like an old school turbo where you have nothing, nothing, boost. More like a larger capacity n/a, lovely and smooth with a bit of a kick when it comes on cam at 4.5k rpm ish.

Oh and its fast, but you dont notice it so much due to the power delivery.

Brakes need some working on, have air in the system I think as they are not as sharp as my 306 GTI-6's were.

Will try to get it out and then work on getting the Renaultsport calipers to fit. People have already fitted them to the 306, but I dont want to pay £300 for a fitting kit of an adaptor and bells and then £250 for some rotors. Ill use a 1 piece off the shelf disc and some adaptors that will cost me <£200 but will weigh a couple of KG more.

There are a lot of things I want to do to the car, but im not exactly flush with cash, and the majority of the things left to do involve lots of it! Will just take my time and develop the car over a period of years rather than months.
 
Where did the front center caps go? :(

One is AWOL, presume lost by a garage so removed the other side to match.

Will get some new 'uns off ebay.

Now who wants to lend me the money for a high boost engine, 450bhp anyone?
 
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Wouldn't it have been better to remove the rear cap on the side where the front is missing? So you have say driver's side of the car with no caps and other side with caps.

I am loving the car though :D How does it compare handling-wise to the 306?

Handling seems pretty much the same, will understeer on power at the limit, lift off and it will bring the rear into play. Perhaps a bit more aggressively than my 306 did, but that was on standard suspension.

Ill probably bring the rear up a touch, but need to have a look at how a standard car sits, the chassis jacking points are pretty much level with the tarmac. The rear arch sits a lot lower than the front one, hence the look of the rear being "gangster low".



Been doing jobs this morning, nothing too interesting.

Refitted the spare wheel/cage under the car.

Debobbled the front seats with a JML bobble remover.

Put a small semicircle in the glove box where the glovebox light is to feed the ipod cable through for the head unit.
 
Update time! Doesn't seem like I have had the car three months already!


In that time the clutch cable stretched/failed on the M6 leaving me stuck in 5th. But some funky action got me home using 5th and 3rd only.

The aux belt chucked off the tensioner once, not entirely sure why, but its happened to other people with the supercharger conversions too. Put it back on and been OK since.

The Citroen grill fell off.... some araldite later and all was good!



I also replaced the throttle position sensor (£76) as it was starting like **** and jerky at low speeds. Its cured the low speed and cold start, but its not great starting from warm still... :(




I ordered the clutch cable from the main dealers as I didn't really want to use a motorfactors one, just incase, i'm sure they are probably the same part but anyway! Ended up costing an arm and a leg (£52!), so i'm glad it fixed the fault as I was worried about the clutch being dead (there was a bad batch of Valeo clutches which had the rivets fail) I didn't want all the hassle of that since the clutch is almost brand new.

They quoted me 2 days delivery, which turned into 10 days and I was raging, however they phoned me 2 days earlier than the later date they had promised me to say it had arrived. :D

So headed over in the afternoon as I was passing and picked it up.

I had already removed the old cable from the gearbox end and from the subframe, just left it attached to the pedalbox.

Home from work, sockets out and away we went!

Ba-bah!

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Jack the drivers side up, drivers side wheel off. Unclip white clip off the pedal, tie string to it. Pull cable through.

Tie string to new cable. Pass new cable up the direction the old one went, aiming for a gap between the manifold heat shield and aircon pipes. Hold torch with one hand/mouth while feeding cable with the other. Pull string through a bit. Fight with the pedal and the clip. Hook the clip over the pedal! Success!

Hard bit done, clip it back under the car, pass the cable through the two hooks, pass it up onto the top of the gearbox. There is a black plastic retaining clip with a metal E clip that fits horizontally ontop of the gearbox (the old one the E clip was missing/broken but I dont think it does much/anything). Pull cable through, and fit the two rubber ends onto the clutch arm etc!

Rebuild it all and GREAT SUCCESS! It seems to work great now!

Rebuild the car, reattach the battery, get confused when the key/immob doesnt work. Press all the buttons on the fob until it does. Start car and be happy! ;D

Total time, about an hour today and half an hour on Saturday, so id say 75 mins if you did it in one stretch. Difficulty, 3/10 maybe, pretty easy and only basic tools required.



Then I set about fitting an oil cooler for track use, I was already seeing the temperatures go up to 125C on a road hoon, and knew from my 306 GTI-6 that on track they rocket upwards.

I used the mountings for the s/c oil cooler and adapted them. These were just small collars that bolted through the bottom of the front subframe. I put a length of stud into each one (fastened under the car).

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Section of angle added for strength to help keep it braced and any load off the end tanks.

16 Row Setrab Oil cooler going on.

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I mounted the coolers using a nut, then a washer, a foam pad to reduce vibration and another washer over the top. Then the same again on the other side of the mounting lug on the cooler.

Then using another section of angle, drilled two holes in the end and used two usefully positioned OE studs on the slam panel to attach it. Drilled two holes in it, and have made some threaded collars up to attach to the stud.

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The hoses are 1/2" BSP braided Mocal ones, come out the cooler, head towards the drivers side, then down and under the radiator. Then up to the Mocal spacer plate which is thermostatically controlled opens at 80C iirc.

Here are my collars I had made, 16mm diameter stainless rod, 40mm in length, M6 tapped, and with 1.5mm taken off either side to give a flat allowing you to use a 13mm spanner on it to adjust them.

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Cut down the stud slightly which I had mounted my coolers on and then wound them down onto it.

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Then spend ages faffing about with my length of angle getting it spaced correctly off the studs on the slam panel, it wasn't the same side to side, so it always ended up cocked and I wasn't sure why!

And bolt the collars to the angle using M6 bolts and a washer.

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All done!

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Wrapped the hoses in some sponge and held on with tie wraps to stop any potential chafeage, even though they are braided I thought they could wear through.

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They pass under the radiator and again a little sponge to stop them rubbing on the bottom of the rad. Then up and into the spacer plate.

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I am running Millers 10/50 Fully Synthetic, its taken almost 6L of oil to fill! I filled the oil cooler when it was on the car, then attached the hoses to the inlets, didn't realise how much oil they would hold themselves, but then they are 45" long each. It went just over 100C when the ambient temp was 26C so thats pretty good for on the road.

Current worries are perhaps it doesnt get enough air flow, having the intercooler, then the oil cooler and then the radiator all in a row, thats a lot of core for the air to flow through, so its going to have warmed up quite significantly by the time it passes through them all.

Still need to work on the brakes, I think the m/c is fudged, as they are terrible. Should change that next week. I have my new Renaultsport calipers and pads, but can't afford the bells/rotors for the kit yet. Bought the hoses to suit them though.

Still need to raise the rear beam and replace the poor IC piping, but its one piece at a time!
 
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Nice progress so far Karl, looking good.

Performance wise, how does it compare to your Rover after you'd fitted the T28 and FMIC?

Hard to tell, no massive slog of torque at 3.5k rpm like the Rover on full boost.

Probably quicker from low rpm, as the Rover would take a little while to build up, then lose out on the mid range, but faster when on cam. Will rev over 7000rpm and make power all the way there now. Once over 4500 its pretty damn rapid.

The ability to use the tyres is better than the Rover, the overall grip and traction from them is excellent and don't have issues getting the power down, even in the wet if your sensible you can get most of it down (and this is with Yokohamas on).
 
That oil filter looks nice and easy to change :o

Its not too bad, just put a filter wrench adaptor thingy on and it winds on/off without too much trouble. Always dribbles slightly down the front of the block though.

The standard car is worse as the inlet manifold is a lot larger.

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Lack of torque doesnt seem to be a huge problem, ~220lb/ft peak, and its not noisy!
 
Problem is you don't get that peak torque until nearly 7000rpm.

Is your SC after the throttle body?
When they are before the tb they certainly are loud when being held at high revs due to the noise the BOV makes combined with the SC.

After.

220lb at 5600rpm going off the lynx website running the base engine map.

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Cutting a long story short, my girlfriend got blackmailed/forced out of her job which we had thought was sound (teaching) and as yet doesn't have a full time position.

I appreciate it may take a while to sell or not sell at all, so while I don't need the money at the moment or in the near future I would rather have it for sale for ages than have to sell it very cheap because I needed the money.

We don't need my car its just a toy really, can use her Fiat 500 as I have a van I use for work. Due to a recent promotion I have spent the last month working away with only weekends at home so the car sits all week anyway.



Oh and the wheels went because I felt they didn't do the handling any favours. The smaller and lighter 16" wheels have improved it no end on broken tarmac. Plus Yokohamas are gash in the damp/wet/cold winter conditions, Goodyears are much better.
 
[TW]Fox;17456607 said:
So why invite a swap for a 306 Rallye or a Rover 75 :confused:

Half as much easier to sell something that more people want?

End up with a good few grand and a car to use and then sell on easier?
 
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