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jordan26 said:
Will it bottleneck it much ? That I can't play games on max settings
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Depends on the games, but overall, yes it will bottleneck severely.

I had an FX6100 with an RX460 and it bottlenecked Battlefield 1 very badly online, the card can run the game at 60fps solid at 1080p medium but the CPU cannot keep up, often drops to 22-30fps in spots.

I benchmarked it on Suez, before the patch, when it was just the three flags. I considered it pretty much unplayable but other people may not, but the point remains that it is a major bottleneck.

Important to point out that this was at the stock clocks, not overclocked, so if you OC the life out of it, it will help but the bottleneck will remain to varying degrees.

Fallout 4 is another one where it will bottleneck severely - but there are other popular games where there will be a 'technical' bottleneck but the game will still run pretty well - Overwatch, Black Ops 3, comes to mind.

Personally, I would ditch the FX6100 switch to an FX8320 before considering a card upgrade, an i5 would be ideal but an FX8320 is a good enough CPU and getting that would be much more hassle free.

An FX8320 + GTX650Ti would actually easily outperform an FX6100 and RX480 in Battlefield online, the latter would have better max framerates and better image quality settings, but the former would have vastly better minimum frames.

I'm using BF1 as a reference because it's hugely popular and indictative of the way games are going, by the way, in case it's not something you're interested in.

edit - also BF campaign ran perfectly fine on FX6100 + RX460 @60fps, online is much more CPU gruelling.
 
Mate is running Fallout 4 fine at 1080P with an FX6300 at stock and a GTX660. He has 300 hours in the game.

Another mate has the FX8320 at stock and a R9 290 and he was fine at launch when AMD graphics card performance was not the best in the game(later patches and driver updates helped).

Only two areas were very CPU heavy at launch - the Corvega plant and Diamond City. They hit the consoles hardest at those points.

Far Harbor pushes cards quite a bit due to the added effects.

jordan26 said:
Will it bottleneck it much ? That I can't play games on max settings
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Buy the card now and see how you go - there is no guarantee the pound will go up anytime soon.

Give it a try and see how you go,and if you need a new CPU then buy one.

The problem is if you are running Windows 10 free upgrade its tied to your motherboard so AFAIK a new motherboard will mean you need a new Windows 10 license.

The other alternative is to look for an FX6300 or an FX8300/FX8320 but we need to know what your motherboard is.
 
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I'm not claiming you cannot run the games on those CPU's, it's a question of value for money.

No matter what way you look at it, the game and plenty others like it will bottleneck on an FX6100 with a GTX1060.

It's not to say it will be unplayable - no-one claimed that. But if the GTX1060 can only achieve 50% of its technical capability, we can hardly claim it's a worthwhile investment.

Bottleneck means that something is unable to stretch it's legs due to limitations and thus represents poor value for money....not that a game will be unplayable or won't run.

I've personally used an FX6100 and RX460 and the bottle necking was extremely bad in some games (and not an issue in others but overall, not a good experience for 2016 AAA titles)...and we're talking about a €120 budget card, let alone a €300 performance card.

Also the FX8230 is a significantly better CPU than an FX6100. In fact even the FX6300 is a better CPU with higher clock speeds and better IPC.

I wouldn't pair a GTX1060 with anything less than an FX8320 at this point, otherwise you might as well get a GTX1050 or RX460 - which will STILL bottleneck in CPU grueling situations.

If you pair it with an FX8230 the problem is largely eliminated for cards up to around the GTX1060 levels, assuming aiming at 60fps ultra settings.

The GTX1060 is capable of playing games like Battlefield 1 and Fallout 4 at a stable, reliable 60fps framerate. We cannot say the same, or even close, of the FX6100 no matter what card it is paired with.
 
Terrorfirmer said:
I'm not claiming you cannot run the games on those CPU's, it's a question of value for money.

No matter what way you look at it, the game and plenty others like it will bottleneck on an FX6100 with a GTX1060.

It's not to say it will be unplayable - no-one claimed that. But if the GTX1060 can only achieve 50% of its technical capability, we can hardly claim it's a worthwhile investment.

Bottleneck means that something is unable to stretch it's legs due to limitations and thus represents poor value for money....not that a game will be unplayable or won't run.

I've personally used an FX6100 and RX460 and the bottle necking was extremely bad in some games (and not an issue in others but overall, not a good experience for 2016 AAA titles)...and we're talking about a €120 budget card, let alone a €300 performance card.

Also the FX8230 is a significantly better CPU than an FX6100. In fact even the FX6300 is a better CPU with higher clock speeds and better IPC.

I wouldn't pair a GTX1060 with anything less than an FX8320 at this point, otherwise you might as well get a GTX1050 or RX460 - which will STILL bottleneck in CPU grueling situations.

If you pair it with an FX8230 the problem is largely eliminated for cards up to around the GTX1060 levels, assuming aiming at 60fps ultra settings.

The GTX1060 is capable of playing games like Battlefield 1 and Fallout 4 at a stable, reliable 60fps framerate. We cannot say the same, or even close, of the FX6100 no matter what card it is paired with.
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But the problem is in the UK graphics card prices are going up and BF period is most likely the period the OP will get decent deals on cards - it is the biggest retail period of the year.

There have been far more deals on RX470,RX480 and GTX1060 cards than the last few months and as older stock is depleted it will be replaced with stock which is bought at a worse exchange rate.

Regarding the CPU upgrade,AMD is doing as much as they can do ditch their old CPUs now,since AM4 is coming and I expect most of the stock was bought at pre-BREXIT pricing,so pricing should stay static IMHO.

I have noticed a 95W FX8300 SKU has quietly crept in though at around £100.

Regarding Intel,I would probably wait until Kaby Lake and Zen as that should hopefully improve the price/performance a bit as Intel looks like they are even adding HT to a £66 Pentium!!

Plus,there are still plenty of secondhand and refurbished Haswell chips available so I don't see the price on them changing much in the next few weeks either.

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If I were the OP I would probably look for the £159 Powercolor RX470 Devil 4GB and that should blow the GTX650TI out of the water and be not much slower than a RX480 4GB.

The "reference" RX470 4GB is still available at £150 and its worse,but still would be a massive upgrade from a GTX650TI.

That leaves £40 to £50 towards a CPU upgrade if required too.
 
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In the same boat, i run an i5 3570k.

Got 200 to spend, dont mind an extra 30 for the 8gb 480.

Whats better the 1060 gtx or rx 480?.

Will my i5 be ok?.
 
Philz0r said:
In the same boat, i run an i5 3570k.

Got 200 to spend, dont mind an extra 30 for the 8gb 480.

Whats better the 1060 gtx or rx 480?.

Will my i5 be ok?.
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That Powercolor Devil 13 RX480 is probably the second best RX480 out there AFAIK. Both the RX480 and GTX1060 have there pros and cons IMHO OFC.

Your Core i5 is fine(might be pushed a bit in BF1 MP but that has insane CPU requirements it looks).
 
3570K is definitely still OK especially if you overclock.

I have noticed a 95W FX8300 SKU has quietly crept in though at around £100.
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This is really interesting, I didn't hear about these at all. Great affordable option for those still using FX6 series CPUs without having to do a system overhaul.
 
Terrorfirmer said:
3570K is definitely still OK especially if you overclock.



This is really interesting, I didn't hear about these at all. Great affordable option for those still using FX6 series CPUs without having to do a system overhaul.
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I have the same 3570K, and with a decent cooler goes up to 4.2-.4.4GHz without problem
 
yea my 3570 is running 4.2 atm.

I just measured my computer bay and the card will just fit. like the back of the card will be millimeters off the hard drive bay.

is this anything to worry about?
 
have a feeling these are gonna sell like hotcakes tomorrow based on the 470 selling out.

so just bought mine :D

exciting times!.
 
Terrorfirmer said:
3570K is definitely still OK especially if you overclock.



This is really interesting, I didn't hear about these at all. Great affordable option for those still using FX6 series CPUs without having to do a system overhaul.
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It was an AMD SI only SKU, but then they made retail version for other regions, so I well imported some. ;)

FX 8300
RX 470

Be quite a decent little gaming box, play anything 1080P maxed out.
 
This thread save me asking so thanks for the suggestions my wallet is now £229.99 lighter and I broke my upgrade at £200 rule :)
 
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