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New card DirectX10 and Vista?

Broonage

Broonage

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Hi folks,

still not bought my new card yet (8800GTS), will do over the coming weeks. As time goes by i'm thinking i may go Vista64. I want to try DirectX10 games when i get my new card.

Hope this is the correct location for this post. :)

Question time :) :

I have the following:
Intel Core 2 Quad LGA775 Q6600 GO SLACR 2.40GHz Retail / Abit IP35 Pro / 2GB Crucial Ballistix PC2-8500C5 DDR2 Dual Channel Kit, Tuniq Tower 120 Cooler/Audigy 4 Pro

- So, is the setup ok for Vista64? Or should i go for 32?
- Is it worth the upgrade from XP Home?
- I've read an awful lot about stability with Vista, drivers, software. Are there still problems? I have Creative gear (webcam, mp3 player, soundcard for example)
- I've also read about crashes ingame, does this happen? I'd be playing Stalker and Crysis.
- And the final question, is the Ulitmate Edition really ok, or should i go Home?
Cheers guys
 
I was in same situation, decided to stick with XP Pro for now, If you go Vista 64 I'd recommend 4Gb memory, also Home Premium will suffice, should be able to hit 3.6-3.7GHz on the Q6600 too
 
DX10? Worth it? No.

DX10 = unplayable framerates for graphics that are almost identical to DX9.

Stick with XP Pro until they come out with a decent SP and some actual DX10 games.
 
I have had a good play with vista 64 and gone back to xp. I really wanted to use it to make full use of my 4gb of ram but there were a few areas that let it down.

The main problem was driver signing and program compatibility.
I wasnt able to use RMclock and rivatuner and speedfan didnt have full functionality. Because I am always tweaking my system there was no way i could live with this so moved back to xp.
 
hhmmmm...some excellent comments there. I will have a little think. :)

There is the dual boot option, i.e. use XP for anything that doesn't work in Vista?
 
What is it that you think Vista will offer you over XP and what is it you think XP wont offer you ? Basically that's all I asked myself

I didn't need DX10 and I know XP and all my XP/DX9 utils/apps/games inside out so for me it was an easy decision
 
DX10 is a gimmick. I am yet to see a game where you can actually see the difference apart from falling frame rates. 64 bit is as stable if not more so than 32 bit. You are better off going for this for future RAM upgrades. Vista has a better GUI IMO and is nicer and cleaner to use. I do not regret using Vista x64 and I no longer dual boot with XP as there is no point as Vista offers me much more.
 
Double hmmm. :)
Judging by peoples mixed advice here, i think what I may do is get 2GB of ram, my gfx card, and Vista Home premium 64. Then dual boot, that way i'm getting the best of both worlds?
 
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IMO, just go for it. I have had very few problems since I built my pc last April time with Vista 64. I still use a pc with XP on it from time to time, but prefer using Vista day to day.
 
No problems with vista64 here, might as well get 4gb ram since prices are so low, using q6600 @3.6ghz, 8800gt, auzentech prelude, p5k premium...

Vista 64 has its share of alternatives to things like speedfan now so tweaking is no problem. Been given no reason to dual boot or I would have done it.
 
Wish i read this before i ordered 32-bit home premium last week haha, though a kinda gentleman has pointed me towards the 'Alternative Media' option from Microsoft who'll send me a 64-bit DVD for a small fee providing i get them my serial key. So not all is lost...
 
Oh, have they sorted rivatuner now?

My biggest gripe though was RM clock, I always use it and there is still no vista64 support. Anyone know of a good alternative as I really like to undervolt my CPUs
 
I've just recently moved to Vista x64 from XP32 and I'm loving it. I've had no problems at all which couldn't be solved with a google :).

DX10 is a gimmick to be honest but Vista overall is a much better OS than XP in my opinion, most games run just as good or even better in the case of Crysis for me.
 
thanks for all the replies.

I have another question:

OEM or Retail?
Let's say in 2 years I update my mobo, can i still use OEM?
 
Broonage said:
OEM or Retail?
Let's say in 2 years I update my mobo, can i still use OEM?
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Hello Broonage, if you purchase an OEM license of Windows Vista, once you have installed it on a machine it is then linked to that specific system. You can replace any component of that system apart from the motherboard and you will still be licensed. Once you change the motherboard for upgrade purposes then it is time to buy a new license.

Weather you should purchase either the OEM or the Retail license will be dependent on how many times you upgrade your system (Change of Motherboard). You can purchase 3 OEM licenses for roughly the same price as one Retail license. So if you upgrade your system every 2 or 3 years then I would probably suggest buying an OEM license. Now, if you are the sort of person that likes to upgrade on a regular basis then the Retail license is for you. :p:)

Now as regards to DirectX 10, I personally wouldn't say it's rubbish or a gimmick. At the moment it doesn't offer much over DirectX 9. However, it is still relatively new and I am sure and very optimistic that this will change in the very near future. I for one can't wait to see what DirectX 10 can really offer.

I would also disagree with the few people that say DirectX 10 is on the verge of unplayable. Take Crysis for instance. I can play Crysis at a resolution of 1920x1200, all of the settings at medium using an AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4100+, a Nvidia 8800GT and 4GB of RAM (Plays pretty much the same with 2GB) at an very playable frame rate and the game is very enjoyable with very nice graphics. Now, if I put all of the settings on the "High" setting then the performance starts to degrade quite quickly. However, having said that, the difference in the graphics set to "High" as opposed to "Medium" is quite substantial and in my opinion, the graphics justify that performance drop.

I honestly can't wait to be able to play Crysis on the "High" and "Very High" setting with a playable frame rate. :)
 
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Fire Wizard said:
Hello Broonage, if you purchase an OEM license of Windows Vista, once you have installed it on a machine it is then linked to that specific system. You can replace any component of that system apart from the motherboard and you will still be licensed. Once you change the motherboard for upgrade purposes then it is time to buy a new license.

Weather you should purchase either the OEM or the Retail license will be dependent on how many times you upgrade your system (Change of Motherboard). You can purchase 3 OEM licenses for roughly the same price as one Retail license. So if you upgrade your system every 2 or 3 years then I would probably suggest buying an OEM license. Now, if you are the sort of person that likes to upgrade on a regular basis then the Retail license is for you. :p:)

Now as regards to DirectX 10, I personally wouldn't say it's rubbish or a gimmick. At the moment it doesn't offer much over DirectX 9. However, it is still relatively new and I am sure and very optimistic that this will change in the very near future. I for one can't wait to see what DirectX 10 can really offer.

I would also disagree with the few people that say DirectX 10 is on the verge of unplayable. Take Crysis for instance. I can play Crysis at a resolution of 1920x1200, all of the settings at medium using an AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4100+, a Nvidia 8800GT and 4GB of RAM (Plays pretty much the same with 2GB) at an very playable frame rate and the game is very enjoyable with very nice graphics. Now, if I put all of the settings on the "High" setting then the performance starts to degrade quite quickly. However, having said that, the difference in the graphics set to "High" as opposed to "Medium" is quite substantial and in my opinion, the graphics justify that performance drop.

I honestly can't wait to be able to play Crysis on the "High" and "Very High" setting with a playable frame rate. :)
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Superb answer! OEM it will be. ;-)
 
I'm in the process of a new build, so decided to try Vista64 on my current rig (amd64 3700+ @ 2.6Ghz + 2Gb Ram) and it runs great... Downloaded latest drivers for my hardware and had no problems... Also been testing games on it and not had any problems so far... :)

When i finish my build, i'll certainly be using Vista64, as its the way to go, and this way i can get used to it, and also get used to tweaking it, the same way i learnt how to tweak XP over time... I would suggest anyone doing a new build installs Vista, and not just for DX10, as has been said b4, its not used much at the moment, but it will do in the future... ;)
 
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