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Because it's an expensive cheap car rather than a cheap expensive car if that makes sense. The fit and finish, standard of construction and interior design will all be suitable for a car costing half that.
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Because it's an expensive cheap car rather than a cheap expensive car if that makes sense. The fit and finish, standard of construction and interior design will all be suitable for a car costing half that.
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RS3 & Type R wouldn't be in the contention for me.
A45 & the RS, either would do me nicely.
I'm hoping Subaru take note and finally do a car with a modern engine and more than 300bhp.
A45 & the RS, either would do me nicely.
I'm hoping Subaru take note and finally do a car with a modern engine and more than 300bhp.
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[TW]Fox;29091098 said:
It's a cheaper part of the range sure, but that doesn't mean that the hatchbacks don't abide by the manufacturers standard level of quality.
The A45 interior for example is as good as a Cayman / C63 interior for fit and finish and material quality.
As another example the RS3 has a same level of interior as a TT for fit and finish.
A boxster is cheaper than a Cayman yet the interior is identical. Much in the same way that the A45 is virtually identical in finish to a C63, and actually features the same steering wheel as the AMG GT and the same gear stick and similar air vents as the SLS.
What is obvious is the huge drop in interior quality going from Audi/Mercedes to Ford/VW/Honda.
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Not sure how thats relevant really, a TT is an A3 based entry level sports coupe so of course it has the same interior level.
Well no it doesn't, but again, if it did, the C Class isn't an £40k base car either is it - it's Mercs lower end volume saloon.
Look at a car that starts at £40k and you'll notice it's somewhat better made than one that starts at half that but can be optioned up to £40k with powerful 4 pot engines, stick on spoilers and a Haldex system
Of course loads of people don't care and these people will happily buy these cars, but I'm just explaining why some people think £40k is simply too much money to spend on a hatchback.
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There is no car that exists which has everything and is priced well. You make a choice and pay your money.
- People moan when someone buys a blinged up slow diesel car with a good interior, because it's looks don't match its performance.
- People moan when someone buys a car with the performance to match its exterior looks but has a lower quality interior, because the price is high.
There is no car that exists which has everything and is priced well. You make a choice and pay your money.
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Indeed, price reflects on more than just the interior. So what if the hot hatches are expensive 'cheap' cars, that money is simply being spent on the aspects of the car that will appeal most to their target buyers.
A cheap 'expensive' car will cut back on other aspects of a car and target a different audience.
A cheap 'expensive' car will cut back on other aspects of a car and target a different audience.
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[TW]Fox;29091213 said:Not sure how thats relevant really, a TT is an A3 based entry level sports coupe so of course it has the same interior level.
Well no it doesn't, but again, if it did, the C Class isn't an £40k base car either is it - it's Mercs lower end volume saloon.
Look at a car that starts at £40k and you'll notice it's somewhat better made than one that starts at half that but can be optioned up to £40k with powerful 4 pot engines, stick on spoilers and a Haldex system
Of course loads of people don't care and these people will happily buy these cars, but I'm just explaining why some people think £40k is simply too much money to spend on a hatchback.
Everybody praises the TT interior...
What £40k cars are you referring to here then? Cause I don't know any that better the A / C class interiors.
As stated, even Merc's supposed lower end interiors are on par with Porsche, which are hardly complained about. Once again taking the A45 interior as an example, it has the same recaro seats as the AMG GT, the same steering wheel, the gearstick from the SLS and plenty of soft touch leather on the dash and door panels etc. It's in no respect low rent and suitable for it's price bracket, being a premium segment.
If you look at the F type, that has an arguably worse quality interior yet that gets a free pass because it's a coupe. Madness.
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It doesn't make any sense, the Golf R has a good quality interior and performance in spades, yet gets declared a tarted up hatchback, yet something like a Mustang gets a free pass for it's low rent interior and worse performance because it's a coupe and makes a louder noise.
[TW]Fox;29091213 said:Not sure how thats relevant really, a TT is an A3 based entry level sports coupe so of course it has the same interior level.
Well no it doesn't, but again, if it did, the C Class isn't an £40k base car either is it - it's Mercs lower end volume saloon.
Look at a car that starts at £40k and you'll notice it's somewhat better made than one that starts at half that but can be optioned up to £40k with powerful 4 pot engines, stick on spoilers and a Haldex system
Of course loads of people don't care and these people will happily buy these cars, but I'm just explaining why some people think £40k is simply too much money to spend on a hatchback.
a veryon is basically a blinged up daihatsu sirion, both based around a 100 year old internal combustion engine, and have 4 wheels!
pioner2000 asked what somebody was talking about when they claimed it was 'too expensive for a hot hatch'. I was simply explaining one of those viewpoints - which is all it is, a viewpoint. Many disagree and happily buy these cars, but the purpose of my post was not to say that these people are wrong, but merely provide some context behind the viewpoint you often here that they are 'too expensive', thats all.
It's an issue that affects most hot versions of ordinary cars - not just hot hatches. Does an M5 feel like an £80,000 car inside? No, it doesn't. It feels like getting into a 520d, because unfortunately, the fundamentals of the car are designed so they can appeal to a market that spends £30,000 rather than £80,000. Some people do not care about this and happily purchase and thoroughly enjoy these cars. Some people do care about this and therefore do not. I was simply explaining why people sometimes take the latter view.
I'm really not sure why I'm being flamed for explaining this
btw, no free pass for the Mustang from me
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The interior is pretty poor, better than the pre facelift but no oil painting.
I test drove an ST a couple of years ago and the interior and torque steer was enough to put me off, this time the interior is good enough not to put me off the RS and hopefully the drive will be as good as being made out.
If things don't work out with ours I'm pretty confident we will be able to move it on without loosing much, particularly when we got it at the release price.
I test drove an ST a couple of years ago and the interior and torque steer was enough to put me off, this time the interior is good enough not to put me off the RS and hopefully the drive will be as good as being made out.
If things don't work out with ours I'm pretty confident we will be able to move it on without loosing much, particularly when we got it at the release price.
But the whole point in a hot hatch is for the price to be kept low and most of the money going on the performance.
That is why the Fiesta ST is so good. It handles like a go-kart and outperforms far more expensive cars, then you can tune the hell out of it for not a lot of money. People who buy it don't really care about the interior.
That is why the Fiesta ST is so good. It handles like a go-kart and outperforms far more expensive cars, then you can tune the hell out of it for not a lot of money. People who buy it don't really care about the interior.
But different cars for different people.
Give me a Mustang or F-Type any day over a hot hatch, even if it is slower, just make sure it's got a V8 in it please.
