New GPU or wait? eternal question...

Monkeyboysteve · 13 Nov 2024 at 10:39

Do you guys think I would be stupid to buy a 4080 super now?
I know the 5000 series is probably launching in a few months, but in reality the chances of getting hold of a 5080 anywhere near launch are slim if last generations are to go by. took me 6 months to get a 3080 FE, and that was only because I dedicated myself to stock alerts etc, which I can't do easily now.
Gaming at 4k is ok on my card, but I need me some more frames. Just not sure if waiting would be the sensible option.

Zeebedy · 13 Nov 2024 at 11:02

I love my 4080S, great card, very powerful. I game at 1440p no issues, it’s my cpu if anything holding my games back a bit.

Monkeyboysteve · 13 Nov 2024 at 11:16

Zeebedy said:
I love my 4080S, great card, very powerful. I game at 1440p no issues, it’s my cpu if anything holding my games back a bit.

My 9800x3d is coming today so that shouldn;t be an issue, it's my 3080 that will be holding me back if anything. I game at a mix of 1440 and 4k. I think I will go for it, I can always sell it if I did manage to get a 5080 I suppose.

Zeebedy · 13 Nov 2024 at 11:18

Monkeyboysteve said:
My 9800x3d is coming today so that shouldn;t be an issue, it's my 3080 that will be holding me back if anything. I game at a mix of 1440 and 4k. I think I will go for it, I can always sell it if I did manage to get a 5080 I suppose.

Yes, that cpu will be beastly, I think that will be a good pairing!

mickyflinn · 13 Nov 2024 at 11:42

Apparently Nvidia will showcasing the 5000 series at CES in January so maybe February at the earliest.

The 4080 super at £900 isn't to bad imo .

Tetras · 13 Nov 2024 at 13:26

Monkeyboysteve said:
but in reality the chances of getting hold of a 5080 anywhere near launch are slim if last generations are to go by. took me 6 months to get a 3080 FE, and that was only because I dedicated myself to stock alerts etc, which I can't do easily now.

The crypto boom is over, so I don't think that'll be such a big deal this time, unless the cards are useful for AI in which case: good luck.

I think the 9000 versus 9800X3D situation has shown that reviews have a big impact on sales and so does how many are waiting for a decent upgrade.

There are a fair chunk of people on cards like: 3080/3090/6900 XT/6950 XT that would love a decent upgrade and don't consider the current cards worthwhile, so if nvidia pull a rabbit out of the hat and make the 5080 30-50+% faster than the 4080 at a not outrageous price, then demand will likely be high.

Monkeyboysteve · 13 Nov 2024 at 22:52

mickyflinn said:
Apparently Nvidia will showcasing the 5000 series at CES in January so maybe February at the earliest.

The 4080 super at £900 isn't to bad imo .

There is also a B grade for 800 quid. Obv a bit wary of B grade stuff, but if it's rubbish when it's delivered it could go straight back anyway. for that price (or even 900) it is seriously tempting.

Monkeyboysteve · 13 Nov 2024 at 22:58

Tetras said:
The crypto boom is over, so I don't think that'll be such a big deal this time, unless the cards are useful for AI in which case: good luck.

I think the 9000 versus 9800X3D situation has shown that reviews have a big impact on sales and so does how many are waiting for a decent upgrade.

There are a fair chunk of people on cards like: 3080/3090/6900 XT/6950 XT that would love a decent upgrade and don't consider the current cards worthwhile, so if nvidia pull a rabbit out of the hat and make the 5080 30-50+% faster than the 4080 at a not outrageous price, then demand will likely be high.

GPU's ARE good for ai already though, that's the issue. 4080 super seems like a decent upgrade from the 3080 already at high resolution (I don't care about ray tracing,) and my worry is, that if the 5080 comes out and is a massive flop then there won't be many 4080 supers around to buy anyway at a "cheap" price like there are now. just like you can't find a single 4090 for MSRP.

Tetras · 13 Nov 2024 at 23:07

Monkeyboysteve said:
GPU's ARE good for ai already though, that's the issue.

Sure, but what I meant is that if it has decent vram and a nice performance uplift (we've seen with Zen 5, for example, that it was pretty focused on this kind of compute performance) then in that situation it'll be very hard to get. Nvidia are still going to reserve their best for AI though, whatever happens for gaming.

Monkeyboysteve said:
4080 super seems like a decent upgrade from the 3080 already at high resolution (I don't care about ray tracing,) and my worry is, that if the 5080 comes out and is a massive flop then there won't be many 4080 supers around to buy anyway at a "cheap" price like there are now. just like you can't find a single 4090 for MSRP.

I would guess that the 4090 issue is both AI and limited supply for the higher end GPUs. If you have the money for the best, you're going to get the best, whereas if you don't the 4080 is rather pricey. The 4090 is also a decent chunk faster than any other card, which hasn't historically been the case. If the 4080 had decent sales potential I doubt nvidia would have undercut themselves by making the 4080 Super cheaper, for example.

Monkeyboysteve · 13 Nov 2024 at 23:12

Tetras said:
Sure, but what I meant is that if it has decent vram and a nice performance uplift (we've seen with Zen 5, for example, that it was pretty focused on this kind of compute performance) then in that situation it'll be very hard to get. Nvidia are still going to reserve their best for AI though, whatever happens for gaming.

I would guess that the 4090 issue is both AI and limited supply for the higher end GPUs. If you have the money for the best, you're going to get the best, whereas if you don't the 4080 is rather pricey. The 4090 is also a decent chunk faster than any other card, which hasn't historically been the case. If the 4080 had decent sales potential I doubt nvidia would have undercut themselves by making the 4080 Super cheaper, for example.

true true. I do wonder if it's just a case of "I bought a new rig, and it's the last piece I need to upgrade" kind of thing going on in my head. never really felt the 3080 was slow at all.
Maybe I should do the smart thing and wait. Just have horrible memories of trying to get a 3080 for months on end, don't want to go through that again lol.

Tetras · 13 Nov 2024 at 23:24

Monkeyboysteve said:
true true. I do wonder if it's just a case of "I bought a new rig, and it's the last piece I need to upgrade" kind of thing going on in my head. never really felt the 3080 was slow at all.
Maybe I should do the smart thing and wait. Just have horrible memories of trying to get a 3080 for months on end, don't want to go through that again lol.

I'd have a good watch of this, if you haven't seen it. It goes through the pros/cons in detail and you get side-by-side comparison.

I'd be surprised if demand for the lower-tier cards was that high, isn't Blackwell the first GPU specifically designed with AI in mind? Not convinced that's going to make great gaming performance, but the top tier card will likely sell anyway.

Monkeyboysteve · 13 Nov 2024 at 23:34

Tetras said:
I'd have a good watch of this, if you haven't seen it. It goes through the pros/cons in detail and you get side-by-side comparison.

I'd be surprised if demand for the lower-tier cards was that high, isn't Blackwell the first GPU specifically designed with AI in mind? Not convinced that's going to make great gaming performance, but the top tier card will likely sell anyway.

Cheers dude. yeah I will skip this card for now. I think it would have been good for me a year ago, but just too close to the possible launch of the 5000 series. I think you're right about blackwell. Didn't really know much about it, but having a quick google now and it's quite interesting,
Edit (meaning the AI stuff. not anything I would use., but interesting nonetheless.)

AMDPower · 14 Nov 2024 at 01:34

if you game at 4k then I would personally wait as you need every bit of GPU power you can get, a 5080 which should be ~40% faster than a 4080 baseline and possibly better raytracing. That is too much to miss out on just for waiting 3-4 months. Plus your gpu is not dire bad, you can make a lot of games work by adjusting settings.

fleapea · 14 Nov 2024 at 09:46

I should have my first 1440p monitor for free in a less than a week my old mans upgrading his.
Ray tracing isnt the the clincher for me, but the 3080 I got at £330 so i had to take it.
I dunno why but i find AMD cards to make games look better, a 4080 is something I would not pass up on, but saying that I tend to stay in the £500 range for cards, so up next for me its the GRE or 2nd hand 7900XT.
If you got the cash for a 4080 then for me it would boil down to the 4080 Vs 7900 XTX - with the 4080 coming in at about 899 - and the XTX coming in at at about 80-100 lower.

Monkeyboysteve · 14 Nov 2024 at 14:31

AMDPower said:
if you game at 4k then I would personally wait as you need every bit of GPU power you can get, a 5080 which should be ~40% faster than a 4080 baseline and possibly better raytracing. That is too much to miss out on just for waiting 3-4 months. Plus your gpu is not dire bad, you can make a lot of games work by adjusting settings.

Yeah, I decided to wait. Just worried I won't get one for months. I have zero issues with my 3080 tbh. I upgraded to a 9800x3d so I think I just wanted to get it all done in one. also was in a spending mood.

Monkeyboysteve · 14 Nov 2024 at 14:38

fleapea said:
I should have my first 1440p monitor for free in a less than a week my old mans upgrading his.
Ray tracing isnt the the clincher for me, but the 3080 I got at £330 so i had to take it.
I dunno why but i find AMD cards to make games look better, a 4080 is something I would not pass up on, but saying that I tend to stay in the £500 range for cards, so up next for me its the GRE or 2nd hand 7900XT.
If you got the cash for a 4080 then for me it would boil down to the 4080 Vs 7900 XTX - with the 4080 coming in at about 899 - and the XTX coming in at at about 80-100 lower.

I had AMD cards for years, but just don't like the newest ones. I vastly prefer DLSS to amd's tech. I also remember having countless driver issues with my sapphire 7950 HD that I had for like 7 years, changed to a 6800xt and it just had endless issues. so went with a 3080 instead after finally getting hold of one months after launch and just won't go back to AMD now.

fleapea · 14 Nov 2024 at 15:32

dang - tech is a funny thing sometimes, for instance i was running on an old GTX960 - my first card in years was a RX6600 but it also came on the back of ryzen 5 2600, and my first SSD.
So i was like wooooooooah, and this is a mere RX6600? haha - it was a combination of things really. i get same with bluetooth devices it will work then it wont, i stopped trying to fix it all.. funy things so I avoid bluetooth tech koz i just crap out when using it.