New MMOrpg rig

bowza

bowza

bowza

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Guys been a long time since i last ventured on here, the time has come to build a new rig, as the current model has no life left.
AMD 64 3200 , 3 gig ddr ram, ATI 850 xtpe AGP, Gigabyte GA-K8NSNXP-939 motherboard

upgrade thoughts , start from scratch , new everything, wife can then have old machine

Cpu - Intel E7650 £117
Case Antec 900 - how loud are these? £66
Memory 4gb in a 2x 2gb format pc6400 -ocz £160 ish
Graphics 8800GTS 640mb Leadtech £220
PSU - need advice based on the above
Motherboard - need advice also , was thinking SLI board , but after reading here scrap that idea from the advice here
Hard drive 500GB hitachi, i like hitachi
DVD RW Nec £20

Operating system , XP pro , or Vista Ultimate - whats best for gamers / performance

Any thing I have forgotten

I mainly play Lord of the Rings online, but want to play warhammer when its released and keep the main bulk of the system for 3 years or so, dont mind adding more Hdd or a graphics card upgrade in 2 years or so.

Thanks

Bowza
 
Couple of quick points because I'm late for a meeting: LotRO will run at highest settings on a spec like that. It will look nice :)
Also I'm running the game perfectly on Vista and on XP. I would put Vista on any new builds, but then I don't cling desperately to an OS that I know unlike some people ;)
 
Intel Core 2 Quad Pro Q6600 "LGA775 Kentsfield" 2.40GHz (1066FSB) - Retail
£149.99
£176.24 inc VAT

Asus P5K SE Intel P35 (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard
£64.99
£76.36 inc VAT

OcUK 4GB (2x2GB) PC2-5300C5 667MHz DDR2 Dual Channel Vista Approved Kit
£99.99
£117.49 inc VAT

Leadtek GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB GDDR3 HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail
£279.99
£328.99 inc VAT

Western Digital Caviar SE16 400GB 4000AAKS SATA-II 16MB Cache - OEM
£44.99
£52.86 inc VAT

Pioneer DVR-112DBK 18x18 DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter - (Black) OEM
£16.99
£19.96 inc VAT

Tuniq Tower 120 CPU Cooler (Socket 478/754/939/940/AM2/LGA775)
£26.99
£31.71 inc VAT

Antec Nine Hundred Ultimate Gaming Case
£59.99
£70.49 inc VAT

Corsair HX 520W ATX2.2 Modular SLI Compliant PSU (CMPSU-520HXUK)
£57.99
£68.14 inc VAT

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium 64-Bit Edition DVD - OEM - 1Pk (66I-00788)
£54.99
£64.61 inc VAT

£856.90
£1,006.86 inc VAT

Have a look at that and any questions then dont hesitate in asking.
 
Do i need quad core for games or the faster FSB of the E6750

with the faster FSB do i not need pc6400 ram

and yes i would like to overclock it a little

Bowza
 
also i dont think i can swallow the price of the GTX card, too expensive for a single component.

Thanks for the other details

Bowza
 
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium 64-Bit Edition DVD - OEM
Intel Core 2 Quad Pro Q6600 "LGA775 Kentsfield" 2.40GHz
Tuniq Tower 120 CPU Cooler (Socket 478/754/939/940/AM2/LGA775)
Gigabyte GA_P35C_DS3R (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 & DDR3 Motherboard
G.Skill 4GB DDR2 PQ PC2-6400C5 (2x2GB) CAS5 Dual Channel Kit
Leadtek GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB GDDR3 HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail
Western Digital Caviar SE16 500GB 5000AAKS SATA-II 16MB Cache - OEM
Asus DRW-1814BLT 18x18 DVD±RW Serial ATA Dual Layer Lightscribe ReWriter (Black) - Retail
Corsair HX 620W ATX2.2 Modular SLI Compliant PSU
Lian-Li PC-7 PLUS II Aluminium Midi-Tower Case - Black

Total : £999.75

Ok, you should be able to overclock the Quad to 3GHZ+ and with good temps. Dont worry about if you havent ovclocked before, its fairly stright forward, just read a few guides before hand. Their are also people on here that are willing to help you if you get stuck.

The Tuniq Tower CPU cooler is a fantastic CPU Cooler and will cool that Quad of yours very well.

The Gigabyte GA_P35C_DS3R is a great P35 chipset board, very reliable, solid and great overclocking potinal. It also fully supports Intels upcoming 45nm processors (Penryn). The board you picked out is vastly expensive and a slightly older chipset.

The G.Skill 4GB DDR2 is very reliable memory and you wont have any problems with it.

The Leadtek GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB is a great card and you wont have any problems playing LOTRO with it.

The Western Digital Hard Drives are very reliable and quite.

The ASUS DVD Drive connectos to your motherboard via SATA connection, this means you can cancel the onboard IDE controllerwhich will help with boot times. Also you can get rid of them ugly IDE cables.

The Corsair PSU is one of the best power supplys around, very reliable and very quite.

The Lian-Li case is amazing, brilliant build quality and cooling is of a very high standard too.

Now the E6750 is only 266MHZ faster, thats nothing to be honest. Clock the Quad up to 3.2-3.4GHZ and your be sorted. :)
 
No, you dont need a Quad Core for what your looking to play but its so cheap you cant go wrong.

Considering your looking to Overclock then i would say 3GHz is a fairly comfortable target if not further in which case you can run it at 1:1 and the RAM would 333MHz which is 667MHz which is the stock speed of that RAM, if your looking to overclock more than that then your been OC'ing the RAM in which case i dont know how well the OCuK RAM will OC, im not sure any 4GB RAM kits overclock well.
 
bowza said:
also i dont think i can swallow the price of the GTX card, too expensive for a single component.

Bowza
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Thats fine, go with stickroads choice of the 8800 GTS 640MB still a very capable card and your run LOTR no problem :)
 
so is the overall core speed more important than the FSB speed in game performances,

Or is it all down to graphics GPU these days

Bowza
 
northsider said:
There's no point in pairing a Core2Quad with PC5300 speed ram. The slow RAM would be a huge bottleneck. Waste of time.
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Setup two machines, one with 667MHZ Memory and the other 800MHZ Memory, run a load of real life programs and i bet you couldent tell which had 667MHZ memory in and which one had 800MHZ memory in.

So whats your view on the Crucial Ballistix kit?

They arnt worth getting?
 
Maybe he's talking about overclocking performance? I guess in a way that would be right if the OP went for value ddr2-667 since he would only be able to take the q6600 to 3ghz before the ram would possibly become a limiting factor. ddr2-800 isn't that much more expensive and it would guarantee 3.6ghz (assuming the cpu and its cooling held up :)).

EDIT - I hope that's it anyway as this massive bottleneck he is talking about is actually more like a 5% drop from ddr2-800...
 
northsider said:
There's no point in pairing a Core2Quad with PC5300 speed ram. The slow RAM would be a huge bottleneck. Waste of time.
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You only need high bandwidth memory if you plan on overclocking.
For some reason people seem to think that running the memory ratio high and giving yourself more bandwidth makes things run quicker.
The Core2 CPU likes memory running in Sync.
Imagine that you've got two lanes of road and you are the only car on that road.
You've got 2 lanes to play on and everything is great.
Now run the memory out of sync 0 you've got 4 lanes of road and you're the only car on that road.
You can't go any faster - you were already going as fast as you could on your two lane road, you've now just got 4 to drive down.

The only point in getting RAM with a hgher bandwidth than your CPU can support at stock is if you are then planning on overclocking it and want to keep those "2 empty lanes of road".
 
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