New Motherboard

Rebecca Whitlow · 11 Jun 2021 at 19:21

My old hand-me-down PC is starting to fail on me and it looks like i'll have to replace the majority foo my parts including the motherboard in order to get a new CPU. I've been hardcore researching graphics cards but motherboards seem more complicated. Anyone have any pointers on what I should be looking at? I currently have an MSI Z97 GAMING 5 (MS-7917)

Aquaben · 11 Jun 2021 at 21:59

Are you looking to build from scratch or use some of your current parts?
Will you be overclocking?
Where do you stand on price/performance ratio?

liamstears · 12 Jun 2021 at 00:00

As above but for performance for the money I would recommend a ryzen processor and board

Rebecca Whitlow · 12 Jun 2021 at 00:31

I'll just be using it for regular gaming. Do not plan to overclock ever. I need a new CPU, RAM, graphics card and chances are I'll need new power supply. So pretty much everything. I am looking at all price ranges for now but nothing more than like £200. I want something to last and be good

Rebecca Whitlow · 12 Jun 2021 at 00:32

liamstears said:
As above but for performance for the money I would recommend a ryzen processor and board

I think I am getting an intel i7 or i9 10k hopefully

Tetras · 12 Jun 2021 at 13:33

There aren't many more CPUs out on either DDR4 platform, because of the upcoming move to DDR5, so if you want it to last then unfortunately I'd suggest waiting until AM5 or LGA1700, assuming the failing PC can last that long.

Not overclocking doesn't help much with a 10th or 11th gen i7/i9, because they already have high power draw at stock, so a decent VRM is a must. Have a watch of buildzoid's Z590/B560 rambles on youtube if you have the time.

handyandy24 · 12 Jun 2021 at 17:41

Id go for a b550 am4 board. Put a 5600x in there. Future ability to use pcie 4 drives and later on upgrade to a quicker zen3.

Or. Wait to make sure zen4 will be am4. If not wait for the am5 boards as chances r you can then keep that board for 5 + years.

Anyone know how long am4 has been about?

Rebecca Whitlow · 12 Jun 2021 at 22:07

Tetras said:
There aren't many more CPUs out on either DDR4 platform, because of the upcoming move to DDR5, so if you want it to last then unfortunately I'd suggest waiting until AM5 or LGA1700, assuming the failing PC can last that long.

Not overclocking doesn't help much with a 10th or 11th gen i7/i9, because they already have high power draw at stock, so a decent VRM is a must. Have a watch of buildzoid's Z590/B560 rambles on youtube if you have the time.

I don't know what that means... I am new to all this, trying to learn as much as I can. What is DDR4 and 5

mickyflinn · 12 Jun 2021 at 22:21

Rebecca Whitlow said:
I don't know what that means... I am new to all this, trying to learn as much as I can. What is DDR4 and 5

I wouldnt worry about ddr5 thats in the future if you need to upgrade now then get what you need.

£350 will get you a 6 core intel 11400f ,b560 motherboard and 16gb ddr4 memorry.

Tetras · 12 Jun 2021 at 22:23

Rebecca Whitlow said:
I don't know what that means... I am new to all this, trying to learn as much as I can. What is DDR4 and 5

DDR4 has been the standard memory for quite awhile and it is now end of life. Both AMD and Intel will use DDR5 for their new CPUs/motherboards.

Because of this, any motherboard you buy now, is unlikely to support any new CPUs. So, their lifespan as the "current thing" will be very limited.

The reason I mentioned this is because you said "I want something to last".

Rebecca Whitlow · 13 Jun 2021 at 01:33

Tetras said:
DDR4 has been the standard memory for quite awhile and it is now end of life. Both AMD and Intel will use DDR5 for their new CPUs/motherboards.

Because of this, any motherboard you buy now, is unlikely to support any new CPUs. So, their lifespan as the "current thing" will be very limited.

The reason I mentioned this is because you said "I want something to last".

Ah okay I get it. I kind of need a new rig very soon. DDR4 will have to do. I am hoping it will last at least 5 years.

Alan McFall · 13 Jun 2021 at 02:03

If you want it to last or are using it for production work, AMD upgrade path is better and a good B550 (£150+) can power a 5950x (16 cores) from what i've read. On the other side you have 11th gen which tops out at (8 cores) or 10th gen (10 cores) but you don't get PCIE 4.0 on 10th gen and the multicore performance pales in comparison.

If you're working on a budget for gaming then the 11400f on a B560 is probably the sweet spot, spend a little more on your GPU.

All depends what you are using the PC for.

I've bought Intel for the past 10 years (for gaming and general use) but AMD have really nailed it this Gen.

Kostyantyn Maslov · 13 Jun 2021 at 08:34

Amd ftw atm

Rebecca Whitlow · 14 Jun 2021 at 01:56

Alan McFall said:
If you want it to last or are using it for production work, AMD upgrade path is better and a good B550 (£150+) can power a 5950x (16 cores) from what i've read. On the other side you have 11th gen which tops out at (8 cores) or 10th gen (10 cores) but you don't get PCIE 4.0 on 10th gen and the multicore performance pales in comparison.

If you're working on a budget for gaming then the 11400f on a B560 is probably the sweet spot, spend a little more on your GPU.

All depends what you are using the PC for.

I've bought Intel for the past 10 years (for gaming and general use) but AMD have really nailed it this Gen.

It's exclusively for gaming. I have an intel now and kinda wanna stick to it, especially if I plan on an NVIDIA GPU. I will be skipping the 20 series to get a 30 series as soon as I can get my hands on one. Ideally between a 3060ti and 3080.

random_matt · 14 Jun 2021 at 07:15

Rebecca Whitlow said:
It's exclusively for gaming. I have an intel now and kinda wanna stick to it, especially if I plan on an NVIDIA GPU. I will be skipping the 20 series to get a 30 series as soon as I can get my hands on one. Ideally between a 3060ti and 3080.

Intel isn't as good, get a 5600X and Tomahawk X570 and job done. Nvidia is fine on AMD, myth needs to die. Get a 11400f if you are truly one sided, strange, do as you must.

Joxeon · 14 Jun 2021 at 07:48

Rebecca Whitlow said:
It's exclusively for gaming. I have an intel now and kinda wanna stick to it, especially if I plan on an NVIDIA GPU. I will be skipping the 20 series to get a 30 series as soon as I can get my hands on one. Ideally between a 3060ti and 3080.

Get a B560 + 11400F and use the saving to buy a 3080 over either the 3070 or 3060ti as this will give you 25% more fps than going with a more expensive CPU and a 3070 etc.

Rebecca Whitlow · 14 Jun 2021 at 07:51

random_matt said:
Intel isn't as good, get a 5600X and Tomahawk X570 and job done. Nvidia is fine on AMD, myth needs to die. Get a 11400f if you are truly one sided, strange, do as you must.

I'll look into it but intel is just what I'm used to. I don't know much about AMD

Rebecca Whitlow · 14 Jun 2021 at 07:58

Joxeon said:
Get a B560 + 11400F and use the saving to buy a 3080 over either the 3070 or 3060ti as this will give you 25% more fps than going with a more expensive CPU and a 3070 etc.

3080 are a lot more expensive though. It's a difficult decision!

mickyflinn · 14 Jun 2021 at 08:03

Rebecca Whitlow said:
3080 are a lot more expensive though. It's a difficult decision!

I see in another thread you said you was getting a 10700k.

Why ?

You would loose pcie4 support.

Joxeon · 14 Jun 2021 at 08:04

Rebecca Whitlow said:
3080 are a lot more expensive though. It's a difficult decision!

Not if you can bag a 3080 Founders edition which is £650 vs £470 on the 3070 FE so £180 difference and when your only paying £150 for the 11400F over say a £300 10700K you've already saved £150 of that.