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New Nvidia 560ti on the horizon

As if it wasn't busy enough, or are they needing to spice things up as next gen Nvidia's being delayed even longer?

Hmm, fabrication problems I think for the both of them.
 
Well I for one won't be buying a 560Ti anytime soon. No point if the new version is coming out soon.

I will either wait until the current gen 560Tis come down in price or get the next gen version if it comes out at a decent price.
 
That sounds very promising, for AMD release dates of new cards that is.

We've had the 560ti for AGES now, what reason is there to update against the current products, or more importantly, what reason is there for taking GF110 cores that could be 580/570gtx's, cutting them a bit more and tanking the price further, the only realistic option is, to better fight new AMD midrange cards.

Expect it to launch now and get as many higher priced sales as possible, AMD cards to launch, and the "new" 560ti pricing to push down towards the new AMD midrange. Also suggests to me they think AMD's midrange will be very close to 6950 performance, and would beat a normal 560ti.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Expect it to launch now and get as many higher priced sales as possible, AMD cards to launch, and the "new" 560ti pricing to push down towards the new AMD midrange. Also suggests to me they think AMD's midrange will be very close to 6950 performance, and would beat a normal 560ti.
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So when is that new AMD mid-range selection coming out?
 
kissenger said:
Well I for one won't be buying a 560Ti anytime soon. No point if the new version is coming out soon.

I will either wait until the current gen 560Tis come down in price or get the next gen version if it comes out at a decent price.
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Well, assuming what I said is true, yes, you shouldn't buy till post AMD cards launching, though that would still leave the 560ti(new or old) as likely poor choices. If I'm not right, then the only similarity the new and old 560ti have, is the name, which is a very odd choice by Nvidia. In reality you'll still have is it 384 cores, at £160-180, and 448 cores, at £225. Ignore the name, they are very different products, you either want to buy in the £200-250 price range, or the £125-175 price range to be honest.

I really can't see the reason for the rename, other than potential trying to trick market analysts, rather than say they have to tank pricing on their top end cards to compete with (again I'm assuming) AMD's new midrange cards, it "sounds" better if AMD's old midrange(in name at least) can compete with AMD's new midrange on a new process.

Of course, if AMD have a good midrange part at £150-170, thats a circa 200mm2 core and Nvidia are cutting down 530mm2 dies to compete with it on price/performance...... well, thats why you use a name to pretend thats not whats going on.

The rumours are new cards from AMD on 6th December, TSMC have confirmed AMD have had parts shipped to them already(so production IS ongoing), AMD have said they are releasing new gen parts this year, the 6th may or may not be accurate.

I really can't see a reason right now for a new 560ti made out of a much more expensive core, except to compete with an unreleased AMD part. Okay, Nvidia could steal sales from 6950's at a closer price point, but likewise Nvidia really won't want to be selling such large cores for such a low price.
 
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But last gens came really close to the previous gens high end.

6870 is closeto the 5870.

So I really wouldn't be surprised at all if it happened again, especially not with 28nm
 
What about Nvidia going down the 6950 route?


A little bit of bios flashing to turn it into a full fat 570 perchance to boost sales.
 
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Im pretty sure AMD are having production problems, a site said that they will only be releasing limited stocks due to it when the time comes, which probably means exaggerated prices.
 
Oh, I'm even more confused now. Having gone through the 560Ti vs 6950 situation, I had decided on the 560Ti and noted that prices were dropping slightly - good news as I was ging to wait a month or so. I was specifically beginnig to think about Gigabyte's SOC version (still priced at over £200 tho'). Now what do I do - wait??
 
Cleeecooo said:
But last gens came really close to the previous gens high end.

6870 is closeto the 5870.

So I really wouldn't be surprised at all if it happened again, especially not with 28nm
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Why especially not with 28nm? The ONLY reason the new gen this time around was close to the last gen was because of exactly that, it was on the same process, 28nm quite literally gives them the space to double transistor count roughly in the same power envelope. This gen's performance boost WILL be big, as with every single other major generation jump that hasn't been hampered by a crap process.

StriderX said:
Im pretty sure AMD are having production problems, a site said that they will only be releasing limited stocks due to it when the time comes, which probably means exaggerated prices.
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This simply isn't true, firstly 28nm production according to everyone anywhere, is far ahead of where 40nm production was at the same point, secondly production is always limited at the start of the new process, this has been the same for every single new process, for every new chip, ever, at any foundry, for any product.

You can't get to 100k wafers a month, before going through 80k, a 50k, and 25k, and 10k, and 5k, because, generally numbers are linear and thats how life is ;)

Certain crap websites jump on news without a clue what it means. Yes capacity will be limited, taking that on its own, it sounds bad, but top end gpu's are low volume, and every single generation before it on a new process has had the same capacity issues.

This is why Graphics cards come out on new processes before most other companies go to it, low volume, higher cost(not massively but wafer costs come down over time) which suits the low volume high end perfectly. There were only 3-4 customers producing 40nm, or 55nm, when it launched, and its the same this time. In 18 months when they have 2 or 3 gigafabs at full capacity(gigafab = 100k wafers a month, early capacity on 40nm was 9k wafers a month, which is roughly what 28nm has), there will simply be hundreds more customers and AMD/Nvidia will have more products, they WON'T and don't increase the number of wafers for high end parts they run, because theres no need to.
 
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