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nlel1975

nlel1975

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I`m close to ordering some components from ocUK before doing so I am right in thinking the P35C DS3R is a good overclockers board. I want to try an overclock a new batch e4300 to at least 2.33ghz and if it doesn't do it I`ll sell it in July and get a 2.66ghz Penryn for £ 93. Has anyone bought one and tested it yet.

Also is the Geil value 2GB as good as any memory to use for up to 800mhz overclocks?
 
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I have an e4300 on a board that is not known for clocking (the Asrock 4core Dual VSTA) and even on that it was no effort to get up to just under 2.7ghz.

If you can't achieve your modest ambition for an overclock on the kit you are proposing I'll eat my ears!
 
The GeIL 2GB (2x1GB) PC6400C4 800MHz Ultra Low Latency DDR2 Dual Channel Kit (GX22GB6400UDC) would this be anygood for taking the fsb higher than 333mhz on this board - assuming I ditched the stock cooler and that I got a good chip.
 
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The GeIL 2GB (2x1GB) PC6400C4 800MHz Ultra Low Latency DDR2 Dual Channel Kit (GX22GB6400UDC) would this be anygood for taking the fsb higher than 333mhz on this board - assuming I ditched the stock cooler and that I got a good chip.
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That's not the value RAM. :rolleyes:

Nevertheless, it's rated to run at 400Mhz allowing you to increase your CPU's FSB frequency to 400Mhz before the memory becomes a limiting factor. Bear in ming, though, that quite a few people, who own this memory, struggle to get it to run at it's rated frequency and timings; so you might want to consider a different set.
 
As a general response to your query, the p35 chipset is very new indeed. At this stage it is too early to say which are the good or bad overclockers boards. All to often this is dependent on the BIOS which cannot be expected to be mature yet.

This gives you a bit of a dilemma. The p35 boards are likely to be a bit more future proof but also are an unknown quantity as far as performace is concerned, you pays your money and takes your choice - get a p35, or a more mature chipset with proven overclocking performance such as the 965p?
 
Well the minumum I`d like the board/CPU/Memory to be able to do assuming I got a good chip is 266 x 9 or 333 x 7 on stock cooling. I would regard that as a bit of a waste in buying the PC6400 memory but at least I got 2.4ghz out of a 1.8ghz chip.

If I get a better chip I would like to get 300 x 9 or 333 x 8 again on stock cooling I would also regard this as a bit of a waste of the PC6400 memory but at least I got 2.7ghz out of a 1.8ghz chip.

If I get an even better chip I would like to try 333 x 9 maybe upping the volts a bit if that works my ideal final result would be 375 x 8 getting the most out of the memory. This is assuming the memory/motherboard and CPU will go to 375 x 8.

If I wait 2-3 weeks I can save £ 35 by buying elsewhere when they have motherboard stock by just getting PC5300 ram as its only £ 36.55 ex VAT for 2gb there atm and I would save a bit on the delivery cost too and could get the cheaper P35 DS3.
 
If I find that I can't overclock the chip by much at all (as some won't) then by buying the Penryn compatible board I will be able to use the E4300 @ 1.8ghz for 2 months untill the Penryn chips are out then sell it and buy a 2.66ghz Penryn for £ 93 (that might even overclock a bit).

It means spending a bit more money in 2 months time but if I can't get a minimum 2.33ghz overclock out of my e4300 then so be it. Obviously I hope to achieve higher then 2.33ghz with the kit I`m buying 3ghz would be nice at 375 * 8 but not everyone is so lucky.
 
nlel1975, if you keep the 9x multiplier aren't these boards supposed to be able to run at a 333Mhz FSB without any voltage increases in most cases? This would almost definitely ensure you a 3.0Ghz overclock, if what's being said is true in most cases.
 
I would have thought the CPU might still require a voltage increase. Apparently lowering the multiplier to 8 gives better results with the e4300... but if I can do 3ghz or either 333 x 9 or 375 x 8 then I will be very happy even if I have to raise voltages. Prefer 375 x 8 as it will use the RAM (if its ok stuff) and the 8x multi is supposed to be better anyway.
 
Let me reiterate, on a board with hardly any O/C friendly settings, and a kludge of a via chipset, I have had an e4300 completely stable on 299 x9 on stock volts with the stock cooler. Temperatures are a tad on the high side, but I have absolutely no doubt that the chip has a lot more to give given better cooling and a motherboard which has proper voltage options. The board is definitely the limiting factor here but it has already exceeded my expectations for a board which only cost about £40 and was only bought as a stepping stone (no pun intended).

What I am trying to say is that you need to get rid of some of the preconceptions you seem to have about the c2d chips. They really are astonishingly easy to achieve large overclocks with, and this experience is the rule rather than the exception.
 
ocUK put the prices up on everything so I ordered a DS3 warranty replacement elsewhere which doesn't come with any accessories so I`m getting cheap SATA power/data cables off eBay.

Its a bit cheaper then the ocUK order I had planned and includes a Samsung 500GB HD rather then the Hitachi 400GB. If I get an e4300 that does at least 2.33ghz with this setup I`ll be satisfied and I`ve saved money on the RAM and board by not getting PC6400 & P35.

With at least 2.33ghz I won't need to upgrade the CPU or board for a while so there will be no need for me to spend the extra for a P35 board. If it doesn't do 2.33ghz then I`ll sell the board and CPU and get a P35/Penryn CPU setup.
 
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OOPS!! Sorry.

I`ve been reading the Gigabyte P965 overclocking guide at HardOCP and it says for overclocks higher then 333fsb you need to cool the MCH better. I won't be doing this so I guess that rules out attempting to overclock the DDR667 much higher then 333mhz. Ideally I`d like to get to 300x9 or 333x8 for around 2700mhz but will settle for 266x9.
 
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I`ve been reading the Gigabyte P965 overclocking guide at HardOCP and it says for overclocks higher then 333fsb you need to cool the MCH better. I won't be doing this so I guess that rules out attempting to overclock the DDR667 much higher then 333mhz. Ideally I`d like to get to 300x9 or 333x8 for around 2700mhz but will settle for 266x9.
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You don't need to at all, especially with some of the new P35 boards which run really cool. A lot of people can push them past 400Mhz FSB frequencies easily without aftermarket NB or SB cooling. Bear in mind, though, that good case airflow will probably be required.
 
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