New PC Build - Advice appreciated

SmokinGun68

SmokinGun68

SmokinGun68

Associate
Joined
17 Jan 2021
Posts
8
Hey, been a while since I built a PC so don't want to miss something before placing the order. Would appreciate any comments regarding the intended spec below and anything I might have missed from the order or got wrong somehow. Particularly regarding PSU, I assume this one is juicy enough? Left off monitor/mouse/keyboard as already have those. I also own a couple of Samsung EVO SSD's that I'll be including. I want to put an RTX 3080 in it but I guess it will be a while before I can get my hands on one. For now I'll use my RTX2080Super. Particularly interested in any comments regarding potential problems I might have with any of these components and possible alternatives. It will be used primarily for gaming and video editing (non pro). I assume O/Cing a little will be easy enough? Thanks for your help.

Lian-Li O11 Dynamic XL (ROG Certified) Aluminium Midi-Tower - Black
Lian-Li BR120 Digital RGB PWM 120mm Triple Fan Pack with Remote Fan Controller - Grey
Asus ROG Strix Z490-E Gaming (Socket LGA 1200) DDR4 ATX Motherboard
Intel Core i9-10900K 3.7GHz (Comet Lake) Socket LGA1200 Processor - Retail
ASUS ROG Strix LC Performance AIO CPU Liquid Cooler - 240mm
Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound (3.5g)
ASUS ROG THOR 850W 80 Plus Platinum Modular Power Supply
WD Black 2TB SN850 M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (WDS200T1X0E)
Team Group Xtreem "8Pack Edition" 64GB (4x16GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C17 3600MHz Quad Channel Kit - Black
 
turbot1984 said:
PSU is fine. 10700K or 10850K and 32 GB RAM if purely a gaming pc? The saving will take the sting out of 3080 price.
Click to expand...
Thanks.....the extra RAM is useful for editing and the price isn't really a problem. Just don't want to miss any compatibility type issues. Want it all to work well together and be nice and stable. And also not realise I haven't ordered something that I will need!
 
That silver overhype gunk hasn't been any top paste in long long time and is now mediocre.
https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/guru3d_thermal_paste_roundup_2019,12.html
https://www.igorslab.de/en/waermeleitpasten-chart-2/3/

Anyway such mid size waterpipe cooler isn't good for heat output of high core count Intels in heavy all core load.
Actually it would be behind top heatpipe coolers in continuous cooling per noise, because it just doesn't have especially high surface area for dissipating heat into air.
Arctic Freezer II has more surface area in genuinely beefier thicker radiators.

Single core/lowly threaded workload consumption is fine, but in full all core load 10900K is literal landfill fire.
It's basically 200+W TDP CPU and power efficiency in video compression is craptacular.
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/hhakAayRyXRuoAVDo9PpAn.png
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/cLh5BQWNSseGWA9KAYG7kk.png
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/8MejtEdJdsCt9gHQB2pBqk.png
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i9-10900k-cpu-review/2
And Zen3 further increased AMD's lead in power efficiency:
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/xdAnGHx3FfzK5Gp7hHwMZ6.png
 
EsaT said:
That silver overhype gunk hasn't been any top paste in long long time and is now mediocre.
https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/guru3d_thermal_paste_roundup_2019,12.html
https://www.igorslab.de/en/waermeleitpasten-chart-2/3/

Anyway such mid size waterpipe cooler isn't good for heat output of high core count Intels in heavy all core load.
Actually it would be behind top heatpipe coolers in continuous cooling per noise, because it just doesn't have especially high surface area for dissipating heat into air.
Arctic Freezer II has more surface area in genuinely beefier thicker radiators.

Single core/lowly threaded workload consumption is fine, but in full all core load 10900K is literal landfill fire.
It's basically 200+W TDP CPU and power efficiency in video compression is craptacular.
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/hhakAayRyXRuoAVDo9PpAn.png
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/cLh5BQWNSseGWA9KAYG7kk.png
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/8MejtEdJdsCt9gHQB2pBqk.png
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i9-10900k-cpu-review/2
And Zen3 further increased AMD's lead in power efficiency:
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/xdAnGHx3FfzK5Gp7hHwMZ6.png
Click to expand...

Wow, OK that's interesting stuff. So you think the Ryzen is an all round better alternative? I haven't used an AMD CPU for probably 20 years having been unimpressed at the time....but I appreciate that was a long time ago and they've probably upped their game since then!
 
So, considering the points above (and digging much deeper into the pockets!), how does this spec sound (assuming I can even source the CPU and G/card)
Asus ROG Strix TRX40-E Gaming
AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X 4.5GHz 32Core 64 Thread Socket TRX4
Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut Liquid Metal 1G
8 Pack Team Group Addition 4x16GB DDR4 PC4-28800C17 Quad Channel kit 3600MHz
CoolerMaster MasterLiquid ML360 RGB TR4 CPU Cooler 360MM
Asus Rog Thor 850W 80 Plus Platinum
LianLi O11 Dynamic XL Aluminium Midi Tower Black
LianLi BR120 Digital RGB PWM 120MM Triple Fan Pack with remote Fan Controller
Gigabyte Geforce RTX 3080 Gaming OC 10GB GDDR6X
Western Digital Black 2TB SN850 M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 SSD
 
Only thing Intel has going anymore is being better space heater.
Zen3 matches Intel in single core/gaming performance, while performing better in fully multithreaded loads with up to 16 cores and at lower power consumption.
Even 16 core model maxes at ~140W.

While good for fully multithreaded workloads, Threadripper is still on old 2019's Zen2 architecture and slower in single core/gaming.
So that's really only for professional workloads.
Those extra cores won't ever benefit in gaming.
Unless you want to run half dozen games simultaneously.
12 core 5900X is best balance for gaming and some heavier workloads.
It will be otherwise dated before games need more cores.


Like said in name Conductonaut is literally liquid metal and not for casual use.
Firts of all if you get it to wrong place, that's short circuit with clear risk of permanent damage.
Also there are possible challenges in longevity with gallium getting literally absorbed into any copper to form alloy leaving only "dried" residue behind.
(untill all copper has been alloyed or there's no gallium left)
 
If you want a gaming + video editing CPU then either the 5900X or 5950X if you don't mind spending a bit more would be very good.
 
EsaT said:
Only thing Intel has going anymore is being better space heater.
Zen3 matches Intel in single core/gaming performance, while performing better in fully multithreaded loads with up to 16 cores and at lower power consumption.
Even 16 core model maxes at ~140W.

While good for fully multithreaded workloads, Threadripper is still on old 2019's Zen2 architecture and slower in single core/gaming.
So that's really only for professional workloads.
Those extra cores won't ever benefit in gaming.
Unless you want to run half dozen games simultaneously.
12 core 5900X is best balance for gaming and some heavier workloads.
It will be otherwise dated before games need more cores.


Like said in name Conductonaut is literally liquid metal and not for casual use.
Firts of all if you get it to wrong place, that's short circuit with clear risk of permanent damage.
Also there are possible challenges in longevity with gallium getting literally absorbed into any copper to form alloy leaving only "dried" residue behind.
(untill all copper has been alloyed or there's no gallium left)
Click to expand...

Dude, you're a font of knowledge. Really good advice. Thank you. Any news of a NexGen Threadripper on the way??? I do love the idea of running Adobe Premiere on that platform.
 
SmokinGun68 said:
Worth the wait??
Click to expand...
Only if you're happy with 8 cores as thats the max intel will be offering this time around.

SmokinGun68 said:
And a lot cheaper than a Threadripper right......m/b too. Has a motherboard risen to the top for this platform??? What are people using mainly?
Click to expand...

Depends what features you're after really but the X570 tomahawk is pretty good for just over a 200 quid.
 
Quartz said:
I've just heard that they're due in March.
Click to expand...
Well at the moment trying to get hold of Ryzen 59XX, threadrippers or Geforce 30XX seems like an impossibility. The only thing prompting this build is my youngest wants a PC for his birthday in March, so rather than build him something substandard (within the budget I can justify spending on it) I figured I'd build myself a super awesome machine and give him mine (which is no slouch and I wouldn't normally have upgraded it for probably another couple of years). Never know stock shortages like this. No doubt that's due to "Covid" too.
 
SmokinGun68 said:
Any news of a NexGen Threadripper on the way???
Click to expand...
With AMD not having enough Zen3 chiplets to make as much desktop Ryzens and server EPYCs as they could sell it wouldn't be wonder if Zen3 Threadripper is shelved at the moment.
After all those are used for heavily multithreaded workloads and already Zen2 models give plenty of power for that with up to 64 cores.



SmokinGun68 said:
Worth the wait??
Click to expand...
Real full all core load power draw must be even worser landfill fire:
Intel is rising their marketing TDP despite of core count dropping to 8!
(same old 2015's 14nm++++++++ manufacturing node)
So even if it takes some gains in single core, doubt it does anything for multihreaded performance difference.

Also Intel's track record of actual availability of new high end models has been bad for many many years.
So no reason to expect sensible availability around release.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom