'New' stereo setup

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Hi all,

Helping mum clear out her house ready for sale I've found and been given a load of older stereo stuff they had years ago, namely

Technics SA-303L stereo radio reciever and amp
Technics SL-PS900 CD player
Technics SL-Q2 direct drive turntable
Pioneer S-P710 speakers

I've acquired some atacama speaker stands and set this all up, and certainly for free this feels like quite a reasonable setup.

I am noticing that it is (to me) a great sound, but I'm getting crackling as I go up or down in volume. This stops immediately once I've stopped adjusting the sound, but I wondered if anyone had any ideas.

Happy to receive some feedback on how good/bad this kit is.
 
Try turning the volume up and down quickly (with the amp turned off) about 30 to 40 times and it should clear the crackling noise, it will be corrosion on the contacts inside of the volume pot.

You can buy cleaner to sort it out but try turning it quickly first,
 
Try turning the volume up and down quickly (with the amp turned off) about 30 to 40 times and it should clear the crackling noise, it will be corrosion on the contacts inside of the volume pot.

You can buy cleaner to sort it out but try turning it quickly first,

Great news, that worked perfectly.

The only other issue is volume. It seems to go from silent on zero volume, very quiet barely through one speaker on the first 'click' of volume, to genuinely loud on the second click. Beyond that the volume increases, but it doesn't feel particularly uniform

I presume this is just the quality and age ?
 
The quality of the volume pot is fine. Its the age, and then with that how much use it has (or has not) had. Borrowed contacts through lack of use. Corrosion changes the resistance, and hence why the volume is uneven. There's also the percentage error at the lowest volumes. It is more significant the quieter the sound to the point where one channel is on and the other off at the lowest vol settings.
 
Thanks for the info.

I've heard about being able to have hifi kit serviced, and this 'issue' seems sufficient enough that I wouldn't mind getting it done.

The issue is I don't want to splash out a load of cash if they open it up and find a load of other things that need doing.

Obviously the price can be as long as a piece of string, but would there be any benefit in bothering to do this ?
 
Yeah, be careful here. It could end up like one of those classic car restorations where someone buys a car for £2k and then spends £10k restoring it when it's only worth £5k in mint condition :D

The Technics receiver is is nice from a novelty point of view. The old skool knobs and switches have a nice weighty feel to them which is quite seductive compared to modern electronics. It should also produce a nice warm sound. However, this is a bit of mid-Fi and there's plenty of other similar products on Ebay from equivalent and superior brands for around the £30-£80 mark.

If I was to do anything with the 303 it would be just to get the volume crackle fixed. My first attempt would be with some Deoxit and a little elbow grease. There are different versions of Deoxit. For this kind of work where you want to preserve the delicate carbon track of the volume pot then you want to avoid anything with a solvent. Deoxit D100 is solvent-free. That's the right product to use. Basic contact cleaner and other versions of Deoxit contain some percentage of solvents. You want to avoid those for this type of job. If that doesn't work then by all means put it in the hands of a repairer.

Before you do take it off to a professional for a service just check if everything else works. Try the amp at progressively higher volumes. If there's a problem with the big output capacitors because they've dried out then I'd expect to hear it as they're worked harder at higher volumes. Crackly switches will just be oxidation again. Issues with tuning will most likey be another Deoxit job on the tuning fins (Google it).

As for the rest of the gear: The CD player was close to top-of-the-line back in the early 90's. But once again technology has moved on and something like a Denon 2800 DVD/CD/SACD/DVD-Audio (early noughties) would have it beaten for build quality, flexibility, sound quality and not to mention being a DVD player too, all for under £80 s/h.

The turntable is nice. Direct Drive with a reasonably weighty platter which helps smooth out motor noise. The arm is a bit on the heavy side so cartridge choice needs careful selection. If the cartridge itself is more than a few years old then there's a fair chance that the rubber suspension will be past its best. The suspension allows the needle tip to track the groove. As the rubber ages it gets hard and brittle. The cartridge will still make a noise but the distortion will go up and the diamond will start to plough a new path. This isn't good for the health of one's records :D

The speakers are a bit of an unknown quantity. Like most Japanese mid-Fi brands, Pioneer made some great electronics but their speakers never set the UK market on fire. The Pioneers will produce a big, in-your-face sound alright. However, this country produces some of the finest loudspeakers in the world, so it's a tough nut to crack for Johnny Foreigner ;)
 
Surely just some switch cleaner. Pull off the knob and spray a little down the side of the shaft give the shaft a couple of full left to right wiggles job done.
 
Yeah, be careful here. It could end up like one of those classic car restorations where someone buys a car for £2k and then spends £10k restoring it when it's only worth £5k in mint condition :D

The Technics receiver is is nice from a novelty point of view. The old skool knobs and switches have a nice weighty feel to them which is quite seductive compared to modern electronics. It should also produce a nice warm sound. However, this is a bit of mid-Fi and there's plenty of other similar products on Ebay from equivalent and superior brands for around the £30-£80 mark.

If I was to do anything with the 303 it would be just to get the volume crackle fixed. My first attempt would be with some Deoxit and a little elbow grease. There are different versions of Deoxit. For this kind of work where you want to preserve the delicate carbon track of the volume pot then you want to avoid anything with a solvent. Deoxit D100 is solvent-free. That's the right product to use. Basic contact cleaner and other versions of Deoxit contain some percentage of solvents. You want to avoid those for this type of job. If that doesn't work then by all means put it in the hands of a repairer.

Before you do take it off to a professional for a service just check if everything else works. Try the amp at progressively higher volumes. If there's a problem with the big output capacitors because they've dried out then I'd expect to hear it as they're worked harder at higher volumes. Crackly switches will just be oxidation again. Issues with tuning will most likey be another Deoxit job on the tuning fins (Google it).

As for the rest of the gear: The CD player was close to top-of-the-line back in the early 90's. But once again technology has moved on and something like a Denon 2800 DVD/CD/SACD/DVD-Audio (early noughties) would have it beaten for build quality, flexibility, sound quality and not to mention being a DVD player too, all for under £80 s/h.

The turntable is nice. Direct Drive with a reasonably weighty platter which helps smooth out motor noise. The arm is a bit on the heavy side so cartridge choice needs careful selection. If the cartridge itself is more than a few years old then there's a fair chance that the rubber suspension will be past its best. The suspension allows the needle tip to track the groove. As the rubber ages it gets hard and brittle. The cartridge will still make a noise but the distortion will go up and the diamond will start to plough a new path. This isn't good for the health of one's records :D

The speakers are a bit of an unknown quantity. Like most Japanese mid-Fi brands, Pioneer made some great electronics but their speakers never set the UK market on fire. The Pioneers will produce a big, in-your-face sound alright. However, this country produces some of the finest loudspeakers in the world, so it's a tough nut to crack for Johnny Foreigner ;)

Thanks for the reply, really appreciated.

Volume crackle is now all but gone after doing a few hundred up and down spins, so happy days there.

I haven't managed to get past volume 5 on the dial yet (literally close to impossibly painful loud) but importantly, it sounds like the sounds are 'bleeding' together, so all I'm doing is pushing out more noise at the cost of quality. Volume 3 is seems to be a good mix of very loud with clarity.

We apparently have a Musical Fidelity B200 (does that sound right?) amp in the loft somewhere that I can have if I want. I'll grab this and try it out, I'd imagine it might be a bit better than the 303?
 
B200 is a correct number. MF gear was a bit of a mixed bag. The brand had a habit of producing something really nice for reviews but then cutting a few corners when it came to the production versions. There were also reliability issues with some models too. So it's a little tricky to give an outright thumbs up. What we can say is if you got a working model then yes, it should sound better.

Musical Fidelity A100 and B200 were Class A amps so they munch a bit of power and run quite hot. Class A is a little different from Technics Class AA and the typical Class A/B transistor amps. True Class A runs as if it's on full power all the time. The volume control acts to steer some of that power at the speakers. The higher the volume then the more power goes to the speakers and the less is wasted as heat. So the amps are very inefficient at low volumes.

The benefit of Class A is that they don't use transistor switching and so don't have the harsher sound of Class A/B transistor amps. Class A sounds more like the fluidity of a valve amp. Nice midrange clarity. You'd need some better speakers than the Pioneers though to fully appreciate the benefits. Still, if the amp is "free" then give it a whirl and see what you think. :)
 
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