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New system for WOW

t5kcannon said:
Interesting thread.

Sorry if the point has been answered, but for the purposes of playing WoW is there any benefit going for a i7 950 over a i5 760?

I guess this is probably a tricky question to answer since other factors like memory in a triple channel system come into play. But in the experienced user's view, which do you think is better? Would WoW be pretty much max'ed out with a i5 system, or is there real, tangible benefit to a i7 system over time?
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/facepalm


Edit: i5 will max WoW, i7 is completely over kill.
 
Sorry if the point has been answered, but for the purposes of playing WoW is there any benefit going for a i7 950 over a i5 760?
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Only if you are using 99 of the most badly coded addons ever written and you want a lighter wallet.

No.
 
Intel Xeon X5680 3.33GHz (Westmere) (Socket 1366) - Retail £1339.99
(£1140.42) £2,679.98
(£2,280.84)
OCZ Vertex 2E Bigfoot 480GB 3.5" SATA-II Solid State Hard Drive OCZ Vertex 2E Bigfoot 480GB 3.5" SATA-II Solid State Hard Drive £851.86
(£724.99) £1,703.72
(£1,449.98)
EVGA Classified SR-2 Intel 5520 (Socket 1366) DDR3 Motherboard (270-WS-W555-ER) EVGA Classified SR-2 Intel 5520 (Socket 1366) DDR3 Motherboard (270-WS-W555-ER) £489.98
(£417.00) £489.98
(£417.00)
Lian Li PC-X2000F Aluminium Full-Tower Case - Black Lian Li PC-X2000F Aluminium Full-Tower Case - Black £449.99
(£382.97) £449.99
(£382.97)
MSI GeForce GTX 480 Lightning 1536MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card with MAFIA 2 ***OcUK Exclusive*** MSI GeForce GTX 480 Lightning 1536MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card with MAFIA 2 ***OcUK Exclusive*** £414.99
(£353.18) £1,659.96
(£1,412.72)
OCZ Reaper 12GB (3x4GB) DDR3 PC3-16000C9 2000MHz Triple Channel Kit (OCZ3RPR2000LV12GK) OCZ Reaper 12GB (3x4GB) DDR3 PC3-16000C9 2000MHz Triple Channel Kit (OCZ3RPR2000LV12GK) £399.99
(£340.42) £1,599.96
(£1,361.68)
Corsair Professional Series™ Gold AX1200 High Performance 1200W Power Supply (CMPSU-1200AXUK) Corsair Professional Series™ Gold AX1200 High Performance 1200W Power Supply (CMPSU-1200AXUK) £234.98
(£199.98) £234.98
(£199.98)
Pioneer BDR-205 12x BluRay RW / 16x DVD±RW Drive - Black (OEM) Pioneer BDR-205 12x BluRay RW / 16x DVD±RW Drive - Black (OEM) £109.26
(£92.99) £109.26
(£92.99)
Cooler Master V10 TEC Hybrid CPU Cooler (Socket 940/AM2/AM3/LGA775/LGA1366) Cooler Master V10 TEC Hybrid CPU Cooler (Socket 940/AM2/AM3/LGA775/LGA1366) £84.99
(£72.33) £169.98
(£144.66)
Sub Total : £7,742.82
Shipping cost assumes delivery to UK Mainland with:
DPD Next Day Parcel
(This can be changed during checkout) Shipping : £16.85
VAT is being charged at 17.50% VAT : £1,357.94
Total : £9,117.61



overclocked to 5ghz, RAID 0 and tbh, still might struggle a bit in 25 man raids.
 
franco_22 said:
Intel Xeon X5680 3.33GHz (Westmere) (Socket 1366) - Retail £1339.99
(£1140.42) £2,679.98
(£2,280.84)
OCZ Vertex 2E Bigfoot 480GB 3.5" SATA-II Solid State Hard Drive OCZ Vertex 2E Bigfoot 480GB 3.5" SATA-II Solid State Hard Drive £851.86
(£724.99) £1,703.72
(£1,449.98)
EVGA Classified SR-2 Intel 5520 (Socket 1366) DDR3 Motherboard (270-WS-W555-ER) EVGA Classified SR-2 Intel 5520 (Socket 1366) DDR3 Motherboard (270-WS-W555-ER) £489.98
(£417.00) £489.98
(£417.00)
Lian Li PC-X2000F Aluminium Full-Tower Case - Black Lian Li PC-X2000F Aluminium Full-Tower Case - Black £449.99
(£382.97) £449.99
(£382.97)
MSI GeForce GTX 480 Lightning 1536MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card with MAFIA 2 ***OcUK Exclusive*** MSI GeForce GTX 480 Lightning 1536MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card with MAFIA 2 ***OcUK Exclusive*** £414.99
(£353.18) £1,659.96
(£1,412.72)
OCZ Reaper 12GB (3x4GB) DDR3 PC3-16000C9 2000MHz Triple Channel Kit (OCZ3RPR2000LV12GK) OCZ Reaper 12GB (3x4GB) DDR3 PC3-16000C9 2000MHz Triple Channel Kit (OCZ3RPR2000LV12GK) £399.99
(£340.42) £1,599.96
(£1,361.68)
Corsair Professional Series™ Gold AX1200 High Performance 1200W Power Supply (CMPSU-1200AXUK) Corsair Professional Series™ Gold AX1200 High Performance 1200W Power Supply (CMPSU-1200AXUK) £234.98
(£199.98) £234.98
(£199.98)
Pioneer BDR-205 12x BluRay RW / 16x DVD±RW Drive - Black (OEM) Pioneer BDR-205 12x BluRay RW / 16x DVD±RW Drive - Black (OEM) £109.26
(£92.99) £109.26
(£92.99)
Cooler Master V10 TEC Hybrid CPU Cooler (Socket 940/AM2/AM3/LGA775/LGA1366) Cooler Master V10 TEC Hybrid CPU Cooler (Socket 940/AM2/AM3/LGA775/LGA1366) £84.99
(£72.33) £169.98
(£144.66)
Sub Total : £7,742.82
Shipping cost assumes delivery to UK Mainland with:
DPD Next Day Parcel
(This can be changed during checkout) Shipping : £16.85
VAT is being charged at 17.50% VAT : £1,357.94
Total : £9,117.61



overclocked to 5ghz, RAID 0 and tbh, still might struggle a bit in 25 man raids.
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Now that is what you call a system lol. I would be horrified if i ever spent that much on a system.
 
real issue here is the narrow , ill only play wow on this pc.

Make sense to get a quad or hex core, if its possible to make the system more future proof, if Op do venture into other stuff like , editing or other video game, that can happen...:eek: even for a wow player, when it get too much playing wow all the time and need a break.:cool:

so best advice since the whole tread says/underlines that ALL current Cpu can do the job, is to go Quad intel or AMD. thats well within your 700£ budget.
 
franco_22 said:
Yes? They will more likely upgrade the Krypt to a phenom then downgrading the Cyborg. If they are upgrading something then they are making more money, if their downgrading something then their losing money.

Which one do you think they prefer?
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It's not a matter of which one they would 'prefer', it's a matter of making a sale.

For instance, I phone them up and ask for the cyborg, but can they please downgrade the GPU to a 460. They agree and gain profit, albeit £5-£10 less profit than they would have done otherwise.

Or, they disagree and I look elsewhere for a prebuilt system. They make no profit.

'Which one do you think they prefer?'

Edit: Sorry to go OT again.
 
Peter_C said:
It's not a matter of which one they would 'prefer', it's a matter of making a sale.

For instance, I phone them up and ask for the cyborg, but can they please downgrade the GPU to a 460. They agree and gain profit, albeit £5-£10 less profit than they would have done otherwise.

Or, they disagree and I look elsewhere for a prebuilt system. They make no profit.

'Which one do you think they prefer?'

Edit: Sorry to go OT again.
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Why are you still argueing? A cyborg with a gtx 460 is the exact same thing as a Krypt with a 955 phenom.

And where else are you gonna go? Not many places in the UK sell pre-built systems for the same quality/price/level of support.
 
franco_22 said:
Why are you still argueing? A cyborg with a gtx 460 is the exact same thing as a Krypt with a 955 phenom.

And where else are you gonna go? Not many places in the UK sell pre-built systems for the same quality/price/level of support.
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Because when someone asks me a question, I tend to answer it most of the time.

Also, if we disregard the OC and cooler then yes, a cyborg with a 460 is the same as a krypt with a 460 (one of the options) and a phenom. Your original argument was:

'They will more likely upgrade the Krypt to a phenom then downgrading the Cyborg. If they are upgrading something then they are making more money, if their downgrading something then their losing money.'

So they make the same amount of profit from each (again, disregarding the OC and cooler).
 
Peter_C said:
Because when someone asks me a question, I tend to answer it most of the time.

Also, if we disregard the OC and cooler then yes, a cyborg with a 460 is the same as a krypt with a 460 (one of the options) and a phenom. Your original argument was:

'They will more likely upgrade the Krypt to a phenom then downgrading the Cyborg. If they are upgrading something then they are making more money, if their downgrading something then their losing money.'

So they make the same amount of profit from each (again, disregarding the OC and cooler).
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Well, I don't know how OcUK sales team work, in most sales environment then you'll have stats + KPIs to adhere to. An addon which increases a sale by £80 is a good stat, downgrading a sale by £80 is not. Yeah the company doesn't notice a difference but the guy on the phone might be judged on this.

Again that's assuming OcUK uses such sort of system. It doesn't matter anyway it's completely off-topic but that's all I meant by my first comment.
 
Marine-RX179 said:
The reason your system ain't doing too bad is because you have a top range dual-core of previous gen (which is only a bit slower than i3 530) that's overclocked to 4.0GHz. People with Duals/Quads at only 3.0GHz ish will not be seeing as high frame rate as you in busy area if they had the same graphic as you. And I think the "most situations" you mentioned doesn't cover 25 men raids. In non-busy area, any half decent system would get decent frame rate no problem.


Not saying faster graphic card don't help, but in 25 men raid, CPU matters more than the graphic card as graphic details can be turn down to help with frame rate if graphic is what dropping the frame rate, but CPU not being faster enough...there's nothing can be done. And if you are bothered, go on a 25 men raid and see how much GPU usage you're on during the pitfall of the frame rate...I doubt it would be anywhere near 100% GPU usage because it would be the CPU that's holding the frame rate back.
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well put it this way, flying around northrend im looking at 30% cpu util and gpu about 50%, in ultra with -d3d11. I get 60fps in ICC25 in LK fight. it just isnt taxed at all. the only time i get 30fps is dalaran on a sunday afternoon on my realm which is one of the highest populated horde realms (TN) when you got about 100 ppl at the bank.
 
Its funny how things change. Roll back 5 years and WOW really hurt during raiding, 40 man MC raids were where people hurt bad. A badly coded instance (was nicknamed bugridden core) plus generally PC specs were closer to the minimum spec so it hurt. 40 people raiding (remember this was 40 not 25 a key difference) mean't that a lot of people suffered bad lag and FPS issues. Summary, a significant amout of people could be expected to have issues whilst raiding. Main cities were laggy during busy times.

Roll on to TBC and raiding became 25 man, that was instantly a big chunk of removed effects etc to apply, PC specs had moved up by a bigger degree than the graphics, but addons were becoming more prolific so ate into CPU a bit. Summary, probably 75% of your raid should have limited issues whilst raiding (apart from bugged areas such as Leotheras (spelling) in SSC). Main city was not particularly laggy for most, although people with underspec machines could have time out issues on loading. Dual core was now properly supported.

WOLK. Again PCs much more powerful, graphics up a notch again, but anyone with an average system would be running better than they had at any previous time. Summary, No addon impact really, raiding remained at 25 man, but only those with a significant under specced pc or terrible internetz etc should have any raid issues. Main city again hurt a lot, all them higher res textures to load in a smaller confined area mean't hard performance impact for Many. Quad core supported now to some extent (arguments surround as to how much)

So tbh raiding isn't an issue now, its not really been an issue since early to middle TBC (SSC/TK) for anyone with an average PC.
Main cities remain the time when people even with uber machines "struggle".

A dual core is now maxed from what I can tell, I would certainly not now buy a dual as a WOW machine. I am not sure I see WOW ever really needing more than a fast quad, I may be wrong, but my logic is that we are reaching the point where everything is running really strongly on average hardware, what else can they add? I see WOW as now mature, realistically it was still evolving quickly between Vanilla into mid TBC but since then little has really changed mod wise or encounter wise.
So graphics requirements go up slowly, but CPU I really can't see what else can be added into the mix to stress things to any significant degree.

If you take it that WOW seems to work a generation behind for each expansion I still wouldn't see WOW **really** needing a quad until the next expansion so approx 2 years away. But having one now is not to be sniffed at. I cannot see a massive change in requirements for a while, there is just nothing to lead you to that conclusion.

SSD does make a big diff when loading in eg Dala, it makes little/no diff to anything else compared to a modern decent HDD. Yes if you are running a "green" drive you will more likely struggle a little at times but come raiding you are unlikely to see any diff. In dala however with all the rando textures being loaded you notice a massive diff in initial loading time but also you don't notice FPS drops so dramatically when running around as it needs new textures.
 
One one last comment.
I really would take zero notice of anyones FPS etc. So many diff settings to apply. I also LOL at people who "I have all maxed settings on my P2 300, and Voodoo 2 card and I run 4800x1600 res at 200FPS". Some of the claims people make are absurd, unless they are on a zero population realm they just do not match up to the reality that happens real world.

Most review sites shy away from trying to bench WOW, its just too random to be able to collect a good genuine benchmark. Any half decent recent CPU and GPU will play WOW fine you just need to tweak your settings to get your balance you like. You will get some small FPS drops and stutters etc in busy places.
If you want you can brute force over some of the inherant WOW issues to try to reduce them but your value for money will be very low.
 
Thanks for making me smile on this dark, cold and windy day. This must be the quote of the day.
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no probelmo, play at 1920x1200, everything on ultra, enb series installed, 50mb of mods and tweakwow with everything on full.....tell me your fps in Dalaran and Northrend ;)
 
WoW isn't multithreaded very well so it's a matter of the faster the CPU the better (as opposed to number of cores), the fastest current CPU's are the i5/i7 when clocked at 4ghz.

I've also had 5870/GTX480 GPU's and you get less dips with NVidia in heavy raids, no idea why but it's just a fact.
 
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