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NGMA (Conroe) architecture expected to be 20% faster clock-for-clock than AM2 chips

easyrider said:
I dont care.

Intel aint getting my money!

What socket will these new conroe chips be on ?
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LGA775 apparently, because if it wasn't for existing P4 motherboards having the wrong type of power supply on them they would have been compatible with existing motherboards. I'd guess manufacturers will have motherboards out very soon claiming to be both P4 and Conroe compatible.

mmj_uk said:
Is Conroe dual core?
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Yup, dual core. Merom (the mobile variant) is also dual core.
 
Well that's the thing, it has nothing to do with the chipset :p It's that the current P4 motherboards have the wrong type of power supply on them for the processor. Probably because the power requirements between the current crop of P4s and the Conroe are vastly different...

It's a pretty moot point anyway. AM2 will require a new motherboard too (and new RAM.) So that means all the substantial upgrade paths this year will require quite a bit of outlay...

Assuming Conroe prices will be similar to what Pentium D's cost today, the AM2 will be the more expensive upgrade option because you will require a new motherboard and DDR2 Ram (which not many AMD users will own already.)
 
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Electronic Dave said:
I guess they are learning a lot from AMD's excellent design
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No they learnt that the NetBurst didn't scale as well as the marketing department had hoped and that their previous P6 design was better :) AMD has been using a P6 derived design ever since the K7. Power efficiency/high IPC is not an AMD invention by any means.
 
easyrider said:
evidence please ?

My opty cost £300 and I'm running it on 2.7ghz stock vcore on air.I don't know yet what it will do with a bump in vcore.

Can uou get a 700 mhz overclock on a presler without a bump in voltage? ;)

The Intel Pentium 4 930 Dual Core "LGA775 Presler" 3.0GHz costs £240 and yet the slowest x2 beats it in nearly every benchmark.

the lowest x2 running at 2ghz

so an overclocked 165 or 170 for example @ 2.7ghz -2.8ghz would destroy a presler even at 4ghz.

even the extra 2 mb cache the presler has is not enough to make it a AMD dual core contender.
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And how does all that guff make his statement wrong? Presler's _are_ good bang for buck and they _are_ clocking well. Sure you can compare them to X2's and you're right they don't really contend too well. But those two facts on their own (price and OC'ability) make them a product worth buying :)
 
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