Night Sky Photos HELP!

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Hi, Ive just got myself a Sony A65 with stock lens, could anyone point me in the direction on what settings to use for night sky and star photos, im very new to this but can find my way around the camera setting just about ;) Thanks ..
 
Not that I have that much experience but I asked same question 6 months ago, and was given these sorts of settings, small fstop like 2.8 with relative high iso like 1600 or above and try not to go above 30 seconds and the stars start to move and cause lines
As I found a lot of it is in good quality lens I ended buying a good wide angle
 
adbp1 said:
Not that I have that much experience but I asked same question 6 months ago, and was given these sorts of settings, small fstop like 2.8 with relative high iso like 1600 or above and try not to go above 30 seconds and the stars start to move and cause lines
As I found a lot of it is in good quality lens I ended buying a good wide angle

thanks.. I was trying tonight but even at 30 with iso 1600 I was still getting dark pics with very faint stars.. :s


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After reading a few blog posts on the subject it seems that dark or "milky" images with faint stars is the norm, especially if you live in a built up area. A couple of suggestions were given though.

On some nights the stars are brighter than others. On those nights you should try to get to an area with low light pollution.

Shoot in raw so that you can really boost the highlights to make the stars pop and to reduce the noise which long exposures introduce.

The camera settings you were given seem to be about right according to the blogs. It doesn't appear there's much more to try.
 
The great thing about shooting starsis you can really push the photo in post processing (using RAW) without many issues at all. For example this:

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Was shot at f/2.8 for 30s at 17mm with an ISO of 3200 (I thinK) but then pushed a lot in photoshop. The other option to do is to blend multiple exposure together, for example this one:

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Was a stack of 34 images at f/4, 30s and ISO 1600 then pushed a little in Photoshop. I used a program called startrails.de to do it, free, easy to use and small program you can download.

However bear in mind light pollution in both these areas was non existent and the sky was very clear, the first shot in North East Costa Rica, the second shot in Death Valley California. It's a lot harder to get that kind of shot in the UK, however not impossible, there are plenty of places in Cornwall and to a lesser extent Devon as well as places like Snowdonia and a significant part of Scotland (away from habitation). If you live in the South East you're basically ******* unless you travel a long distance. HOWEVER you can always try and get some star trail images, much easier to do with light pollution. For example

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Although they aren't the best pictures to show as they were shot in Maine and Death Valley again, I do however have a couple shot in the middle of towns with some nice trails however they don't seem to be on my flickr stream so I'll have to find them. For those sort of shots you can use similar settings as above, although I'd reduce the ISO a little, then you shoot for as long as possible and take multiple exposures then merge them together using Startrails.de. In a heavily lit area you're probably looking at 100 30 second exposures to get a shot*, in an area like the above, maybe 30+ 2 minute exposures. Both photos were shot using a 12-24 at 12mm at F/4 and ISO 200.

What I also find useful is to try and adjust the exposure length to that of the foreground, exposure length is the important bit for getting the foreground shot right, the aperture and ISO for the stars. I also then usually process the foreground as a separate "image" and overlay it on the star shot. By that I mean send all the photos shot to startrails.de, let it do it's blending and stacking, import the final TIFF it produces into photoshop and adjust if to get the best sky image. Then I go back to one of the original RAW files and adjust the image for the foreground, just like you would for a normal photo, then mask the sky out of that image and overlay it over the foreground of the stacked sky adjusted image.

Ok so this was meant to be a short post with a couple of suggestions... Got a bit long but hopefully it's a little helpful.:)
 
I'll just echo what others have said so far....some good advice. The settings you were given are about right although 30s @ iso1600 is probably not enough if you're shooting with the kit lens. You really want your camera to be as sensitive as you can get away with. The faster the lens the better and the higher usable iso the better. This is assuming you want to freeze the stars rather than go for trails. 30s @ 1600-2000 is more like it with an f/2.8 lens although a faster lens and higher iso would pull out much more detail.

As others have said...light pollution is going to be a huge factor in the end shots. The shot below is 30secs, iso2000, 17mm, f/2.8 although if I'd had more time I'd have probably upped the iso and used a faster shutter speed as there is some movement at the edge of the frame. Luckily once you're out of the central belt of Scotland then light pollution rapidly drops off. The further from civilisation you can get the better. I didn't go out with getting night shots in mind so unfortunately I was camped in the middle of a forest. Next time I'll go with it in mind and give some thought to composition beforehand. Your biggest obstacles are definitely going to be clouds and light pollution.

Also...try not to over apply noise reduction as much of the detail is tiny and will be wiped out by too much noise reduction. I'd rather have a bit of noise than lose a lot of star detail.


Milky Way 2 by DJ_Switch, on Flickr
 
Not sure if your area is the same but around here a lot of street lighting is switched off after a certain time to save electrickery. If that's done in your area and you can stay up later that might help. Failing that you'll need to head out a bit into the wilderness and hopef or a clear night :)
 
How do you blend the photos? Are they overlayed using Multiple/Screen/etc. settings? I have tried a couple of layer settings, but either the images are too noisy or the number of stars are depleted...
 
Not sure if your area is the same but around here a lot of street lighting is switched off after a certain time to save electrickery. If that's done in your area and you can stay up later that might help. Failing that you'll need to head out a bit into the wilderness and hopef or a clear night :)

hay phal i live in worthing and they too switch off after 1am ;)
 
I usually drive around 5-10 miles away from town to get away from light pollution, an area with hills around you also helps and set your camera white balance to Tungsten.

I look at BBC weather to check cloud coverage in my area and also stick my head out the door to see how clear the sky is, if its really clear you should be able to see loads of stars even in town.

Once you get out to your location its pretty easy...rather than set your lens to infinity (as the markings can be inaccurate) manual focus on a star in live view (zoomed in) until its a pinpoint.

Work out the maximum shutter speed you can use to avoid star trails by doing 600 divided full frame focal length. E.g. 600 / 18 is 33 seconds before star trails appear.

Then set your timer to 2 seconds, aperture as wide as possible and your ISO to 1600. Then all you have to do is compose your pictures and move your camera/tripod around, just keep hitting the shutter button.

You can set your ISO to its maximum at a faster shutter speed if you want to check composition before hand. Wrap up warm and take a good LED torch.

What really brings out star photos is post production though, which is something I'm still learning!


Star Road by 42zx, on Flickr
 
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Thanks Guys, and some amazing photos :)

Can you recommend a lens for my A65, i have £240 tops but less would be better :)... I should get some amazing photos if I manage to master this as i live on the Isle of Man, We have a small dam in the middle of a mountain that gives you perfect conditions when the sky is clear...
 
Thanks Guys, and some amazing photos :)

Can you recommend a lens for my A65, i have £240 tops but less would be better :)... I should get some amazing photos if I manage to master this as i live on the Isle of Man, We have a small dam in the middle of a mountain that gives you perfect conditions when the sky is clear...

The kit lens should suffice. If you have the 18-55mm SAM then set the focal length to 18mm and the aperture to 3.5. I wouldn't go lashing out on glass until you have hits the limits of what you have.

Oh when you are doing the shots turn image stabilisation to 'off',high iso noise reduction to 'off' and long exposure noise reduction to 'off'.
 
Thanks, I didn’t realise i needed the camera set to M mode so i can set the aperture and shutter timing at the same times, as when i had it set to 30 sec and 18mm with the S mode the aperture was in the mid 20's i think.

Just taken a photo from my mate’s window and it looks much better... Thanks again i will post some pics over the weekend if I managed to get some nice shots.

Could you recommend some software for RAW files, I’ve got Corel Photoshop but note that happy with it.
 
I'd get a Samyang 14mm 2.8 or Tamron 17-50mm 2.8 for that money if I was doing stars. Try a free trial of Photoshop CS6, Adobe Elements or Adobe Lightroom for RAW editing.
 
Thanks ill look into a Samyang after Christmas, been looking at reviews and it looks the best for video as well.

Got some nice shots last night, just need to edit them then ill share some. Thanks again for all your help 
 
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