Nikon z9 - better late than never

Raymond Lin said:
Last to the party but after seeing what everyone else is doing they have thrown everything in but the Kitchen Sink.

Lens line up still fall short though, very very short.
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If you don't me asking but what specifically falls short? There are a lot of Z lenses in all sorts of focal lengths, S line (eg the 2.8 pro lenses with internal zoom), cheaper f4's and various primes.
 
Ali195 said:
If you don't me asking but what specifically falls short? There are a lot of Z lenses in all sorts of focal lengths, S line (eg the 2.8 pro lenses with internal zoom), cheaper f4's and various primes.
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The z9 really wants some longer telephoto lenses.

I guess these will be the last to appear and Nikon will expect people to keep using their F mount stuff on the adaptor.
That's fine for existing Nikon customers but a real turn off for anybody swapping from another brand.
 
Ali195 said:
If you don't me asking but what specifically falls short? There are a lot of Z lenses in all sorts of focal lengths, S line (eg the 2.8 pro lenses with internal zoom), cheaper f4's and various primes.
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the basics would be.

Nikon Z 1.4 lenses in 24, 35, 50, 85. 135/1.8.

14-24/2, 24-70/2.8, 70-200/2.8

You need to have all those. 1.8 is falling short. F/4 is falling short, not native would be falling short.

I haven’t checked but how many of those does Nikon have at the moment?

58/0.95 manual focus don’t count.
 
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I find Wex has really good filtering and do all the available lenses.

All of those aside from the 135 prime. I have the 14-24/2.8, 70-200/2.8(with 2x tele 140-400 5.6) and 50 1.8 prime Nikon-s. All amazing on my Z6 II, though I will fully admit they are slow on the proper tele's for wildlife, I don't see them coming for another year.

Nikon have been slow to the game, but the glass they bring out is absolutely top class stuff, so I can't fault them on that. But yeah Z9 looks amazing but yeah not for me, way beyond my requirements.
 
I can see no 1.4 primes? I can see a 50/1.2 which is ENORMOUS! It's like the size of a 135mm.

Basically, the people who buy the Z9 will want these 1.4 lenses, they want the large telephotos.

There are some hobbyist who buy the Z9 and put it on a F/4 zoom to shoot their family BBQ but the crowd that they want are those who make a living and those want 1.4 lenses.
 
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1.4 is not a priority for them. 120 jpeg is insane and 20 raw fps is pretty impressive already, on 2.8 tele will offer fast enough shutter potential for sports. As for portrait photography, z9 is overkill anyway, but yes they don't have a much in the way of 1.4's but as noted they did roll out the 1.2 50mm, that would be lovely.
 
As I explained, 1.4 is a priority for professionals, good telephotos too. Missing them is falling short. 1.8 is not good enough, yes they are nice lenses but they are not good enough. Especially when the competition has them, and Canon is still missing their 35/1.4.


As I also said, the Z9 has the kitchen sink but the LENS LINE UP is falling short. You can have a the best body in the world but if you are missing lenses, I would not buy it, no professional would. You can say Nikon doesn’t think it’s priority, and it is clear it isn’t, which is why a lot of people jumped to Sony, I know a few personally die hard Nikon users who are professional photographer who has done just that. Professionals care about lenses more than bodies. It often takes a decade for a company to bring out/replace a lens, bodies, even flagship, get replaced in about half that time.


I rather have a basic body with amazing lenses than 1 great body and no lenses. This is where most novice go wrong, they look at the body like the Z9 and think….oooooh, amazing, but when they come to get the photo they want and need a lens…it isn’t there. It was how the old Sony/Minolta sets their PR and marketing, they had great bodies, lots of tech in them but Canon had the most comprehensive lens line up in the last generation, Nikon a very close 2nd.


If a body lacks certain tech, lots of the time it can be compensated by skill, if you are missing a good 24/1.4 then you are missing that 24/1.4. There would be a lot people looking for good glass than a flagship body. I would even argue that those getting the Z9 would want the Lens that Nikon don’t make, if you are spending £6-7k on a body then you want the best glass, the guy who buys 2 F/4 zooms are not the demographic they are hoping for.


Basically, they are missing half the puzzle.


Which can be summed up as 1 sentence last week “Lens line up falls short, very very short"
 
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