No Phenom for 2007?

[Sarduk]

AMD admits no 'substantial' Phenom output in '07.

AMD is gearing up to launch its fastest dual-core Athlon 64 processor yet, it has been claimed. Such a product would be handy: last week, the chip maker admitted its Phenom won't appear in significant volumes until Q1 2008, later than previously thought.

According to Taiwan-based industry moles cited by local newssite DigiTimes, the 3.2GHz Athlon 64 X2 6400+ will "ship shortly" for $220-248, just above the current top-of-the-line Athlon, the $178, 3GHz 6000+. It will contain 2MB of L2 cache, they say.

The sources maintained the part, not seen on past roadmaps, will be introduced in a bid to stand up against Intel's new Core 2 Duo E6850, a 3GHz part introduced last week alongside the 2.66GHz E6750 - reviewed here.

Surely related is AMD COO and President Dirk Meyer's admission at the company's recent earnings conference that "we’ll be shipping the Phenom variance of the new product in Q4 but frankly, that’s going to be late enough in Q4 that while there’ll be some contribution to the bottom line, it won’t be substantial", according to a variety of online reports.

In short, don't expect to see Phenom-based systems in the shops until early 2008.

Earlier this month, AMD denied claims that the Phenom line had slipped to Q1 2008. To date, the chip maker has only said in public that the parts will arrived in H2 2007, and according to Meyer's statement, that deadline will be met, technically. But it's clear the rumours were substantially correct: that the bulk of AMD's Phenom output won't arrive until next year.

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/07/23/amd_phenom_shift/

 

[jaykay]

AMD probally wants to get its server share back first, as it always does. Then us desktop users gets it latter.

 

[stoofa]

AMD have never been after server share before.
Even during the past few years (pre Core2Duo) AMD have never enjoyed a substantial server market.
Mainly because of the old saying "Nobody ever got fired for buying Intel".
AMD have never really concentrated on the server market before desktop so I'm not quite sure why they would do now.

 

[jaykay]

AMD have never been after server share before.
Even during the past few years (pre Core2Duo) AMD have never enjoyed a substantial server market.
Mainly because of the old saying "Nobody ever got fired for buying Intel".
AMD have never really concentrated on the server market before desktop so I'm not quite sure why they would do now.

They have with the opteron 64 thier server market rose a lot. It was nearing 40% until Intel brought out the Core 2 duo. Plus theres as thier new processors can use the same skt F a lot of servers would probally like to upgrade as it would be much easier.

The opteron was launched before the Athlon 64, and same with the dual cores. Amd has for a while launched any new chips for opteron first then the desktop market.

 

[stickroad]

I believe Phenom is a Native Quad Core CPU but are they 65nm or 45nm design?

 

[jaykay]

I believe Phenom is a Native Quad Core CPU but are they 65nm or 45nm design?

65nm but AMD probally will get help from thier freind IBM. Like with the 90nm.

 

[BAMBI]

I believe Phenom is a Native Quad Core CPU but are they 65nm or 45nm design?

65nm. I dont think AMD have any 45nm factories yet.

 

[stickroad]

65nm but AMD probally will get help from thier freind IBM. Like with the 90nm.

I see, thanks jaykay.

Looks like Phenom and Nehalem will be out around the same time then?

 

[Biffa]

AMD have never been after server share before.
Even during the past few years (pre Core2Duo) AMD have never enjoyed a substantial server market.
Mainly because of the old saying "Nobody ever got fired for buying Intel".
AMD have never really concentrated on the server market before desktop so I'm not quite sure why they would do now.

Sorry stoofa but you have it all the wrong way round this time.

The old saying is "Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM"

AMD were walking all over intel for years with the Opteron on the server side (this has now changed and Intel has caught back up and overtaken) They had big wins with HP, Sun IBM, Cray and eventually Dell, the Opteron tech is still selling strong but they desperately need Penryn now and they will push it out first on the server side.

 

[SS-89]

^I concur, my dad works for HP and he said they are heavily investing in Intel based Servers.

they desperately need Penryn

Are you sure you mean penryn?

 

[Biffa]

Thanks man, had a brain fart - Phenom of course

 

[drunkenmaster]

small numbers don't mean no availability. new chips only make up a small portion of the new sales for a long time. once conroe came out they didn't suddenly outsell P4's in the first week, or the first 3 months. imagine intel had 10 fabs(i actually have no idea how many they have), they change one over losing production, they then put in the 45nm kit, start ramping up production on the penryn, testing quality, tweaking stuff, improving yeilds all the while the penryn isn't out. then they get it working right, build up a small supply of chips, release chips in small quantities while conroe is still 95% of sales. then they switch 2 more fabs over as a few more companies want the more expensive newer faster chips, but sales are still 90% conroe. those 2 fabs start making penryn's too, but still conroe's are 80% of sales and 70% of production. slowly more and more people want the new chips, they change more fabs over. even after 6 months conroe is still selling very very well.

same, happens for amd, except its a MUCH bigger deal to change over fabs. shutting one of 10 down for intel isn't that bad, shutting one of 3-4 for amd is obviously cutting a FAR higher percentage of production. thats why it takes longer for amd to hit new processes and switch to new chips and delays. if amd losing production for any more time than is entirely critical they kill themselves. especially after getting a huge numbers customer like dell on board, reason dell didn't sell amd chips 5 years ago. they simply didn't have the production to supply them with even the smallest amount of chips to make it worth being non exclusive with intel.

at the moment, the Dell deal amongst the rest mean a short term slow down of production to switch to a new chip, is basically being delayed as long as possible, to make sure that when switched they are at as high yields as possible, and can do it as fast as possible.


intel said the same about conroe, there wouldn't be massive quantities at first, but more than enough for us. it means, all the stores get 100 each, and dell get theres, and everyone else can wait a few months. thats all.