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I think that is literally how all DC voltage regulation works on motherboards. Some will do a better job than others, but that's how voltage is digitally controlled.

There's no linear regulators with adjustable voltages or potentiometers doing it. Has to be digital based, and PWM is that.
You are right about no potentiometers on motherboards. But "variable voltage" is not even remotely the same as PWM, and motherboards had variable voltage headers for years before first PWM fan headers showed up.

Are you trying to tell us computer industry has been lying to us when they say 'variable voltage' headers and they are really all PWM? Sounds like you think there is some sort of "PWM conspiracy" going on. :)
 
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I are right about no potentiometers on motherboards. But "variable voltage" is not even remotely the same as PWM, and motherboards had variable voltage headers for years before first PWM fan headers showed up.

Are you trying to tell us computer industry has been lying to us when they say 'variable voltage' headers and they are really all PWM? Sounds like you think there is some sort of "PWM conspiracy" going on. :)
I am telling you that the way, as an electronic engineer, to regulate an amount of current or voltage or power, is to use a pulse width modulation circuit. "PWM fan control" refers to the 4 pin mechanism we know from PCs as far back as around ATX standard I think?

But PWM as a principle can be used elsewhere too e.g. in regulating the voltage at fan headers, or in a power supply for the 3.3/5/12 volt rails. Switch mode power supply just means PWM circuit with extra components to make it efficient and stable. PWM switching, see :)

It's also used for regulating other stuff like power e.g. in good quality electric induction hobs. Pulse width modulation is a principle, not a PC specific implementation.

The difference between PWM fan control (4-pin) and DC voltage control (3-pin) is that the former is modulating the control signal which directly correlates to fan speed. Whereas DC voltage control is modulating the supply voltage so it averages down before it hits a load.
 
What luckybenski just said sounds right
Have a vague recollection of asus using "fake" pwm headers
They were actually voltage controlled
There were explanations back then from engineers
That sounded similar to what he just said
Though must admit my memory isn't the greatest
So I might also be wrong :cry:
And it was confusing back then too since most people
Have no knowledge of pwm other than 4 pin pc fan headers

Again from my dodgy memory
Might have been some explanation that pwm in the way
It's used on 4 pin headers
Allowed lower rpm compared to voltage control
 
The trippiest thing is that the PWM control wire in 4-pin fans is negative true logic. Meaning zero volts is "go", and 5 volts is "off"! :P

It's so that a fan with no 4th pin e.g. on a 3-pin header, still runs.
 
I am telling you that the way, as an electronic engineer, to regulate an amount of current or voltage or power, is to use a pulse width modulation circuit. "PWM fan control" refers to the 4 pin mechanism we know from PCs as far back as around ATX standard I think?

But PWM as a principle can be used elsewhere too e.g. in regulating the voltage at fan headers, or in a power supply for the 3.3/5/12 volt rails. Switch mode power supply just means PWM circuit with extra components to make it efficient and stable. PWM switching, see :)

It's also used for regulating other stuff like power e.g. in good quality electric induction hobs. Pulse width modulation is a principle, not a PC specific implementation.

The difference between PWM fan control (4-pin) and DC voltage control (3-pin) is that the former is modulating the control signal which directly correlates to fan speed. Whereas DC voltage control is modulating the supply voltage so it averages down before it hits a load.
"I" was supposed to be "You", sorry.

I understand what PWM is, how it works, and how it's used to control motor speed in all kinds of applications like fan motors to power tools, machining motors, etc. Most of my power tools, milling machines, etc. have PWM control.

Is PWM used in newer motor 'soft start' circuitry? Most all of my newer (1st in cc1980, & newer cc2000+) soft start on big horsepower power tools and machines start up slowly, so there is no abrupt jerk when turned on. I don't know much about it except it ramps up power so motor don't try to jump out of hands / off of mounts. I now older soft start is not PWM, but is it used in newer applications?

What luckybenski just said sounds right
Have a vague recollection of asus using "fake" pwm headers
They were actually voltage controlled
There were explanations back then from engineers
That sounded similar to what he just said
Though must admit my memory isn't the greatest
So I might also be wrong :cry:
And it was confusing back then too since most people
Have no knowledge of pwm other than 4 pin pc fan headers

Again from my dodgy memory
Might have been some explanation that pwm in the way
It's used on 4 pin headers
Allowed lower rpm compared to voltage control
This may be same thing I was trying to remember.

The trippiest thing is that the PWM control wire in 4-pin fans is negative true logic. Meaning zero volts is "go", and 5 volts is "off"! :P

It's so that a fan with no 4th pin e.g. on a 3-pin header, still runs.
Indeed!
Most users think pin-4 PWM control is an active logic control, and as you just said it is not.

I'll only add that our PWM fans have PWM control circuitry in fan. The PWM signal from pin-4 signals PWM fan circuitry to pulse 12v power to motor. This 'negative true logic' is why PWM fans run like normal variable voltage fans when attached to variable voltage headers.
 
Is PWM used in newer motor 'soft start' circuitry? Most all of my newer (1st in cc1980, & newer cc2000+) soft start on big horsepower power tools and machines start up slowly, so there is no abrupt jerk when turned on. I don't know much about it except it ramps up power so motor don't try to jump out of hands / off of mounts. I now older soft start is not PWM, but is it used in newer applications?
I've never looked into soft start motors actually! I'm guessing it isn't just having a capacitor in there to suppress the transient, I think that's even older still than soft start.
 
I've never looked into soft start motors actually! I'm guessing it isn't just having a capacitor in there to suppress the transient, I think that's even older still than soft start.
I'm familiar with capacitors being used on motors too supply extra power for startup They've been in use for cc100 years, maybe more.
Thanks for reply
 
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Might be z97 boards
That i vaguely recall the asus "fake" pwm from
That is a while back
10 years or something hard to believe
It's been That long
I think that's what I remember as well. They were using variable voltage on some headers and claiming all fan headers were PWM when only CPU fan and CPU OPT were actually PWM.
 
I think that's what I remember as well. They were using variable voltage on some headers and claiming all fan headers were PWM when only CPU fan and CPU OPT were actually PWM.
Yeah that sounds about right
I switched to an asrock oc formula because
It annoyed me asus were pulling a fast one
Guess that hasn't changed in 10 years lol
 
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