noctua fan confusion

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Im loving at replacing my two case fans and cpu cooler with noctua as ive heard great things about them.

i have this case and absolutely love it!
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-198-CS

i need a 140mm front fan and a 120mm rear fan but have got confused looking at them all as to what type i need? I want as quiet as possible for the fans and cooler.

The cpu cooler would need to fit my rubbish msi-h61m-p31 board and not block the gpu or ram.
 
i need a 140mm front fan and a 120mm rear fan but have got confused looking at them all as to what type i need? I want as quiet as possible for the fans and cooler.

If you are plugging the fans into your motherboard, you want fans with a 4 pin connector. What they call "PWM" fans. These use "Pulse Width Modulation" to automatically adjust fan speeds based on temperature readings from the motherboard and CPU. There will be fan headers on your motherboard that read things like "CPU1" or "CPU2" which is where you would plug in the fans for the CPU cooler and "SYS1" or "SYS2" or others for where you would plug in the fans for the case.

The other type of fan uses a 3 pin connector. These DO NOT feature PWM (because they lack the 4th line / connection of a PWM fan) and will only ever run at full speed if plugged into a motherboard. They can however, be manually adjusted by using a dedicated fan controller.

For example I recently replaced 2x140mm and 1x120mm PWM Noctua fans from my case with all 120mm 3 pin fans which are connected to a dedicated fan controller.

These were the 140mm fans. This was the 120mm fan. Those were plugged directly into the motherboard. They were great fans, but I needed to run fans at full speed in my server box, so replaced them all for 3x120mm 3 pin fans I salvaged from some old Noctua AMD Opteron heatsinks and those are connected to a dedicated fan controller that I can manually adjust to set all the fan speeds to high and exhaust more air. The only problem with that is faster / more RPM = more noise. The PWM fans adjusted automatically, ran slower, but didn't push as much air.

In a desktop machine that might not be too important, but in a server with a 130watt chip I need to get as much air out of the machine as possible.

The cpu cooler would need to fit my rubbish msi-h61m-p31 board and not block the gpu or ram.

That motherboard is a socket 1155 board. So you want to look for heatsinks / coolers that list as being 1155 compatible. That will fit your socket. But more important than that is you want to find a heatsink / cooler that will clear your RAM and not be so HUGE it sticks out the side of your case, then you end up you can't get the side panel back on. An example being this Noctua cooler. If you look at the product description details you can see socket compatibility (LGA1155 is listed which means it will fit your socket).

Then it's just a matter of finding a heatsink / cooler within your budget. The example I linked uses 120mm fans and for the most part should fit in most cases without issue (and should clear most RAM / GPUs). They also make coolers that use 140 and 150mm fans. This is where you really start running into fit problems and need to check and double check if the cooler will fit and clear your RAM / GPU. They also make coolers with smaller fans, but as size decreases in fans, I've found they tend to run much higher RPM to push the same amount of air and like I mentioned before about the case fans faster / more RPM = more noise.


Hope some of that helps :D
 
The other type of fan uses a 3 pin connector. These DO NOT feature PWM (because they lack the 4th line / connection of a PWM fan) and will only ever run at full speed if plugged into a motherboard.

A H61 mobo is unlikely to have voltage modulated speed for 3-pin fans through SYS_FAN headers. But some motherboards do provide it. Asus Z87 Gryphon, Asus Z97 Maximus Hero VII for instance, that I know of. Other motherboards like MSI Z87 Mpower Max also allow you to set a fixed percentage (60/80% etc) for the SYS_FANS, but don't modulate.
 
As the fans you're thinking of getting are PWM, you might as well get a PWM controller instead:

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1 x Phanteks PWM Fan Hub £12.95
Total : £15.23 (includes shipping : £1.90 Ex.VAT).



But yes, they should work on most normal manual slider controlled fan controllers.
 
ah yeah that looks better, and just plug that into the cpu fan header as thats the 4 pin one on the motherboard.

just need to work out if the cpu cooler width fits now before i press order, ive tried working it out with a basic ruler and looks like it should fit
 
ah yeah that looks better, and just plug that into the cpu fan header as thats the 4 pin one on the motherboard.

Right, what I'm not sure of is if 4-pin PWM fans can actually connect to the 3-pin headers on that PWM controller. Better find out first. Usually it is possible to plug 4-pin into 3-pin header and vice versa but better check. I'll have a sniff around now.
 
First off this thread is full of miss-information and incomplete explanations.
  • On most motherboard only the CPU fan header is PWM
  • NH-D14 cooler you posted link to does not have PWM fans.
  • "Phanteks PWM hub" IS NOT A PWM HUB and will not supply PWM fans with PWM signal!! It is a PWM controlled variable voltage hub for 3-pin fans.
  • "Akasa FLEXA FP5S 5" is not a controller, it is simply a PWM splitter with PSU power .. and are prone to stress fatigue where the wire goes into the PWM plug and PSU socket. So be careful about flexing these wires too much.
According to your manual the CPUFAN1/SYSFAN2 have "control" on pin-4, the pin used for PWM signal, but I have seen similar labeling when in fact they were not PWM signal pins.

I would assume the CPUFAN1 is PWM, most are. Some are only PWM while others can be set for PWM or variable voltage. The easiest way to check is to use a PWM splitter with PSU power and a PWM fan. If you can change the fan speed header has PWM signal and 12v power is being pulsed for speed control. If fan runs full speed all the time it is not receiving PWM sign and 12v power is on constantly.

Once we know for sure which headers are actually PWM and/or have variable voltage and PWM, we can proceed with sorting out your cooler and fan choices.
 
my cpu header is pwm i think, im not going to be fussy over pwn however and if its easier to use a controller to set to lowest and i can tweak the speed myself for acoustic v thermal needs thats fine.

i just dont know if the dh-14 would fit my corsair 330r blackout and my motherboard without squashing my gpu, and which fans i need to go with a controller?
 
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