non boot trouble shooting

[adamg64]

Good morning people,

Infrequent member here who only visits when in need of help sorry

Having computer issues/boot problems.

Got home from work yesterday with intensions of pre-loading battlefront finally got my code flicked computer on put the kettle on came back and the bios was there again auto restart.

As of yesterday evening my computer was getting past bios ready for windows to kick in and then restart, occasionally it got to the red windows screen and just as the desktop itself should kick in it died and restarted this went on for a good hour.

I though it was a windows problem (windows 8.1) inserted disk and tried to refresh and roll back to a previous date both of these resulted in a crash and reset.

I open it up check connections and jiggled stuff around managed to get it to boot on this occasion it got to the desktop and froze, gave it a restart and it loaded up as nothing was wrong used/played games for several hours no problems.

This morning usually routine , alarm clock - house coat - pc on - COFFEE

But non boot again this time totally different first bios screen fine, got to the second bios screen and it now just freezes multiple reboots pretty stumped now.

I open up the case tried bios reset countless times, Unplugged and plug back in, swap ram around and removed main boot hdd and still nothing. I still kinda suspect my gfx card but not 100% on that.

Can anybody advise me on something else to try? looks like my evening on Starwars is dwindling

Sorry for the huge post

spec

990FX SABERTOOTH
AMD 8320 - closed loop cooler
290X R9 ATI GFX - closed loop cooler
16GIG VENGEANCE
256SSD
3TB DRIVE
HIPER 880W TYPRER PSU

 

[adamg64]

Tried a different PSU? Hiper's aren't known for their reliability

I haven't that being said you may be shocked but think ive had this hiper in 3 different rigs and not had issues its at least 6years old maybe more :O

you think?

One thing I didn't note was that although the display fails to kick in the tower still seems to be running etc fine right noise and clicks etc

don't have access to much spares these days

 

[adamg64]

How are you resetting the BIOS?

there is bios reset switch on the port board external

 

[adamg64]

Most Type R psus, including mine, all went the way of the dodo just after the guarantee expired (big thread on here). Fortunately, it did not take other components with it.

making me think it could be this, I might have to bite the bullet totally lost without my pc and csgo trader also so need it up and running asap.

thinking this https://www.overclockers.co.uk/antec-truepower-classic-750w-80-plus-gold-power-supply-ca-204-an.html

which I have found in stock elsewhere but think it might be ok?

anyway of testing it?

and returns policy on a psu incase its something else?

 

[adamg64]

I've still got a Hiper PSU running an old, old backup rig. Cyanide is right that they're not known for their reliability.

Stupid question, but I take it the system was unplugged from the wall when you reset the BIOS?

It could still be a GFX card issue. With 6 years or so of capacitor degredation though, it could well be that the PSU can't supply enough power on whichever rail the GFX card is connected to. That one has 768W spread over 4 12V rails. Review here: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=91

The problem with the AMD 990FX boards is that they don't have onboard graphics. I keep a cheap HD5450 just for testing on such systems when you get a blank screen/failure to POST/failure to boot.

Not so active now, but this is the thread UTmaniac is referring to:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17694486&highlight=Hiper

try not to lol but I might be stupid here but would a nviida gtx 560 work on my board?

 

[adamg64]

650w enough and future proof? I might rebuild next year or 2017

 

[adamg64]

At the moment, any single card setup will run fine on 650W, even 550W is good enough if the PSU in question is a decent one. That EVGA unit is rock-solid and has a 7-year warranty. The 750W unit has 10-years.

Unless you're going to be using multiple graphics cards, you don't really need more than 650W.

Cyanide is right that you need a working PSU to rule out the possibility of the PSU being the issue. If it still doesn't work with a new PSU, then it's the graphics card. Likewise, you may find that with a new PSU everything springs to life as it should!

I have no plans to run two cards in the future , I have located the evga in stock locally and slightly cheaper too and wont have to pay shipping, might bite the bullet and pick one up today. Not sure if its worth me paying the extra 20 quid and get its bigger brother the 750 just to cover my arse in future and 10year warranty.

but they also have the

750w Cooler Master GM Series G750M £68 5yr warranty

or

750W Corsair Builder Series CX750M at £75 3year warranty

dunno why got it in my head few years down the line 650w might not cut it but if you tell me otherwise you guys certainly no best

 

[adamg64]

EVGA over Cooler Master & Corsair.

Each new generation of CPU & GPU brings more processing power and uses less wattage to achieve it. You can just about get away with a 6700k and 980Ti SLI on a 750w supply so 650 is more than enough for any single card

Well I think after reading links and comments here that the psu could be the route of my problem and plan to pick one up at lunch time, the fact I had it running fine eventually last night and gamed fine makes me think its not my gfx card.

Ive seemed to have similar problems in the past when I have swap and changed coolers and fans adding more could be route of it all.

Hipers history suggests this, think I will pick it up try and test it but not screw/fix it least then I can return it if need be.

But that being said I think a new one is over due and wouldn't be bad to replace it as its over due but just think of the £££

 

[adamg64]

If it ran fine last night, then it's probably the PSU. Having re-read your OP, it does seem like a power issue. It's probably a very good idea to replace it before it fails. If it fails, it could take some of your hardware with it.

Running out the door as we speak haha, but in fairness ive had my fair share of hardware problems as we all have over the past 15years tinkering with my own systems think I might be just lucky but ive never had a psu fail so don't no the signs.

Can a faulty psu cause it to work some times and fail the next be intermitted?

I woulda just thought if its psu if its gone its gone

 

[adamg64]

its not solved my problem

Picked up the evga 750w g2 today and set it up a hour or so ago.

Firstly i tried the pc to see if it just decided to work but it didnt, so proceed to unplug psu connections with out removing it from cases totally as i didnt want to mark the new unit by fitting it in screw marks etc i may return it.

So switching too and from them both several times this evening they both just do the same thing no display.

Upon booting the computer seems to be working as normal yet not displaying nothing not even the bios and at one point the computer was running for 30mins before i switched off obviously with no display.

I dug out an old 8800gts and tried that had to rule out gfx as i thought it might be that but that just did the same.

At it stands i have now tried.

bios reset
ram module switching
hdd swap
new psu
old gfx card

only thing have noticed was that when its been running non of my devices are powering up keyboard mouse etc also tried this with all unplugged.

At the point where it could be beyond me

 

[adamg64]

ive tried bare minimum with no joy not sure if i can test the monitor, will try and grab a monitor from work and try that.

that being said when my cable is completely removed the monitor does have a screen that works and says no cables are connector. highly unlikely its the dvi cable but i can rule that out later

 

[adamg64]

A monitor/monitor cable issue is unlikely but needs to be ruled out. It's starting to look like a motherboard issue.

If you're getting identical symptoms with the replacement PSU, then you can probably rule out the PSU as the fault.

i can imagine there is no way of testing this other than a new board?

as it stands with the monitor/gfx cable etc is that when I unplug it , the monitor displays a "no signal detected" plug it in and that goes away and the led button just flashes.

 

[adamg64]

struggling for ideas now, luckily a friend is helping me out he has a spare everything but its a 140 mile trip down there but should have it diagnosed at least. only thing he aint got is spare cpu cooler.

not sure how likely that is to have gone faulty and i would imagine it would shut down if cpu was over heating.

Rad and pipes from cold get hot after 5-10mins

for a test purpose i can pick this uplocally for same price before my journey to test worth a shot?

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/arctic-alpine-64-pro-rev.2-cpu-cooler-hs-049-ar.html

 

[adamg64]

Do you not have the stock AMD cooler that came with your 8320 or did you buy it OEM?

For £9 it's worth making sure you have an air cooler, just to make sure it's not the liquid cooler. With that thing, it may run just as hot as the stock AMD cooler, but it'll work. Usually an overtemp causes a shutdown though. When you say the rad and pipes get hot, how hot are we talking?

It's good you've got a friend who can help you swap everything . It's really the only way to diagnose what the problem is at this stage.

it not hot to touch but very warm but i thought that would cause a shut down over heating tbf

i suppose i will find out 2mrw only other option would be to rebuild but still feel theres a few years in this current build

 

[adamg64]

Well firstly im grateful for all the help i received on this forum/thread ty borealis.

Yesterday i headed to my friends house 2&half hours drive to get this sorted really miss my computer. We got cracking straight away he had a test rig set up. i decided to remove my old hiper and fit the NEW evga psu as this was a huge improvement and potentially its the route of the problem.

He still suspected the gfx so tried that first that work , then ram that was fine both sticks so next it was down to cpu or mobo.

Just before we decided to go any further i came up wih the wacky idea to try my NEW let me state that again NEW evga psu that i picked up thursday and you'll never guess what?

It Didnt ******G work arghhh they supplied me a faulty unit, it was the psu at fault again both faulty.

So 7hours wasted 40 quid fuel what an amazing day.

Gotta wait till 2mrw now to return and replace fuming as its another day down grrrr

But at least i no what it is!

 

[adamg64]

At least you have now got to the bottom of the problem and know what the root cause was. It might be frustrating, but you have a definite diagnosis now!

Even the best PSU manufacturers have units that slip through quality control. Heck, it may have even passed all the factory tests only to develop a fault in shipping.

Having a test rig available is so useful. My main PC is an Intel system and the spare Pentium G3258 unit I keep at my parents' house also uses the same socket. If I ever get a problem with this build, I know I've got a full test rig an hour's drive away.

Before that I had used AMD systems, because with my dad also using an AMD system it made debugging his problems much easier. His current AMD build has been faultless, except for a Seasonic PSU that died very quietly and suddenly.

Totally confused now, stuck at work today so ask a colleague to drop in at the shop and ask for an exchange ended up speaking to the tech guy direct on his phone.

They tried the new evga psu or there test rig and it posted straight away. but it didn't on mine or my friends rig any help?