Noob £1000 Base Build - Ryzen 7 5800X

ChunkyPlumpy

ChunkyPlumpy

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Hello O'Clockers,

I'm about to take the first step building my first PC. As a first PC build and excluding anything fancy I think £1000 seems about right. It shall be for daily use (I have a job and work on it all day from home) but would like to use it for a bit of gaming which will be new to me.

At this point I have not completed researching GPUs nor have actually decided on the bulk storage; I'm actually thinking about an external RAID10 SSD on a 10Gbps LAN but that is the next phase of the project... first I need a PC!

I'm considering the following compiled from various reviews, my own inexperience and most importantly availability. There is a lot of great kit out there which you simply cannot buy, all that I list here is available for punters like me (us?):

  • Motherboard: Asus ROG Strix B550-F
  • CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X (selected on price/performance ratio)
  • CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 CPU Cooler
  • RAM: Patriot Viper Steel 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-25600C16 3200MHz
  • Primary Drive: Samsung 980 Pro 250GB M.2 2280 PCI-e 4.0 x4 NVMe Solid State Drive
  • Drive Cooler: Akasa M.2 SSD Heatsink (Not even sure I need this!)
In case it matters, and I've got completely the wrong thing, the case and PSU are:
  • Case: Phanteks Eclipse P300 Glass Midi Tower Case
  • PSU: Corsair RMx Series RMx550 550W '80 Plus Gold'
I have not listed a GPU nor a 'fat disk' as the disk I might have some fun with and the GPU is a complete topic all of its own by the looks of it. I shall gut an old PC for an SSD and use an old card (GT710 probably) to get the ball rolling.

I'm initially aiming for 'decent' general performance from the CPU, jolly good primary disk performance via the PCI-e 4x4 NVMe on the B550 motherboard and hopefully as good as I can get from the RAM DDR4 3200MHz without any over clocking (I listed it in red as it seemed 'low spec' compared to other components yet is apparently the fastest the motherboard supports natively?).

It's all sat there in my basket but before I press 'buy' I thought I should ask people that have already done this if you think anything looks wrong, or perhaps is missing?! Are there any obvious clangers in this and if so then would you be bold enough to suggest something to correct it?

Thanks a lot, CP.
 
Looks fine. Couple of points:

1) Try to get 3600MHz RAM if it's not much more expensive. Ryzen loves memory speed. Don't worry about the fact that the motherboard states this is overclocking. It's a simple tick box in the BIOS and you're done.

2) A 550W PSU in this day and age is not much. Most modern graphics cards recommend a 650 or higher, some 750. It all depends on what type of card you're getting. I would step up to a 650w minimum for games.

3) Yes, get a heatsink. Gen 4 NVME drives can operate at quite high temps so a heatsink is beneficial.

4) I don't think that motherboard has a USB-C header for front case I/O, but the case you selected doesn't have a USB-C port anyway. I might be wrong on the motherboard though so don't hold me to that...

5) You could save a little cash going for a 5600x and a gen 3 nvme drive, but if you're happy with the parts and budget then go for it. If you want to play games it's better to spend less on a CPU and more on a GPU.
 
Agree with Skllid assessment with few extra points

1) ideally 3600mhz C16 or 3200mhz cl14 *more or less the same)
2) Agree 550w wouldn't suffice especially with 5800x on 5600x I would say borderline
3)Agree
4) Yup motherboard doesnt support type C
5) Agree I would recommend 5600x for your budget unless 8 cores is necessary

Additionally
6) The CPU cooler is quite expensive consider either ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO or Scythe Fuma 2
7) I recommend at least 500gb for main drive
 
Thanks Skilid and Butter, I really appreciate you both chiming in.

Despite having now ordered all the kit because I got over excited, I shall still upgrade the memory as that now seems like a no brainer. This is a cost exercise as per my original post, but more like an experiment with my base budget set on principle and practicality as opposed to funds. Put another way, even if I won the lottery I'm never EVER going to spend £8,000 on a graphics card and £3500 on a case (I was actually astonished that these things even exist!).

So what have I learned and what needs changing:
1) RAM: I shall pop that memory into another PC and expense a faster pair of SIMs so luckily I can recover that mistake easily enough ;-)
2) Power: That could be a problem if the GPU I settle on needs more oomph but I might get away with it. Work doesn't require a mega GPU (multiple monitors with big text is more important than rendering and fps at my age, sadly). If not then it shall cost me!
3) Heatsink: Laughably I cancelled the heatsink order, I thought the motherboard had one which I'll know soon enough... if not I'll get one before I finish the build. Thanks for the advice.
4) Motherboard: Gutted about USB-C, this is a true error and the cost of not having the patience to allow people to reply. I have absolutely no idea what it is or why it matters but no doubt I'll find out when I cannot plug something in!
4) USB-C (again): Worse I bought a different case in the end purely based on aesthetics and discount (sad but true). NZXT H510, says it has a new "front-panel USB-C connector"... but redundant to me then! :D
5) CPU: Very interesting, I dwelled on this for the longest time and the 5600X is a brilliant CPU at an amazing price. The only reason I went for the 5800X was the threads, I run Docker and VMWare when tinkering so I think this still makes sense... I think?
6) Cooler: Balls, I read reviews and checked availability but obviously got suckered in. You live and learn but I shall revise my final kit list for repeat builds, thanks.
7) Drive: I only install windows on my primary and also reinstall about once a year, Windows bloats over time. That means I've never used more than about 120GB (current build is still under 100GB). The next phase of this experiment is all about 2nd and 3rd line storage... but I fear you know something I don't. For a work machine this is fine, after MS-Office and a few stubborn apps on the primary drive, other apps go on a secondary drive. I do fear this shall not be so simple with games and more importantly the install procedure for games is no doubt closely coupled to the OS. So my yearly bombing of the OS is very likely to trounce all the game installs and suddenly I see me regretting only having 250GB whilst Windows continues to bloat. Hmmm.

It has certainly given me food for thought, memory shall be sorted quickly, power will have to be changed if a 'proper' GPUs really does exceed what I've bought (skip my ignorance on USB-C header for now) and then I guess the drive might have to swap if I learn games force more consumption on "C:". I do however think the motherboard is the clanger, and it was not for lack of surfing... I spent many hours trying to filter through the MANY different options.

I shall make some enquires with 'Clockers' as my kit is on the way, they might consider an exchange given I have yet to even receive it. @butter30 and @Skilid , if they accept a return then at similar money can you recommend a different motherboard?

Thanks again for all your input. I am certainly taking it onboard and shall correct the obvious clangers if at all possible. Cheers!
 
Thanks @mickyflinn , they even have some in stock!

I have gone through the specs side-by-side and to a noob like me there is next to nothing in it, albeit the MSI board is cheaper (struggling to understand why I skipped on through the list originally!). The card arriving tomorrow I can probably return but before I go to all the trouble, what is this USB-C "Header" I'm after as there is in fact a reference on the Asus card:
  • 2 x USB 3.2 Gen 2 port(s)(1 x Type-A +1 x USB Type-C®))
The USB ports being on the front or back is a lesser concern to me personally, I only connect via the rear as I don't like seeing leads handing out the front but I'm really not sure what this is all about. Google suggests 'The Daddy' of USB ports is "USB 3.2 Gen 2x2" (20Gig) which only comes as a Type-C connector, neither of these cards support this but both do support "USB 3.2 Gen 2" (10Gig) which comes in Type-A and Type-C on both these cards.

The manufactures have taken obfuscation to an all new level when it comes to describing these ports, but from what I can tell both cards achieve the same level of performance. Granted, Type-C connector might only be on the back but I'm not sure what the "header" reference is all about.

Have I completely missed the point, sorry but what am I missing out on?!?! Cheers.
 
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...am4-b550-micro-atx-motherboard-mb-595-gi.html

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...2-amd-am4-b550-atx-motherboard-mb-593-gi.html

both cheaper then MSI, good VRM set up and UK RMA/support. MSI is EU based


nice pairing

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £191.08 (includes shipping: £11.10)
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My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £231.68 (includes shipping: £11.70)
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My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £236.04 (includes shipping: £11.10)


matx along with 5600x saves you about £140-150... from Toma+p300

intel side of things. 6c/12t 10600k would save about £60-70 over 5600x (from ocuk anyways)


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My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £390.48 (includes shipping: £10.50)


would allow you to stick with cheaper 3200hz ram, and board has wifi . though wouldnt slap 10 core at 5.2ghz on this board​
 
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