Not 100% of the compatibility of this upgrade.

[PerfectForm]

Hi there.

Been a few years since ive looked in detail at the new array of CPU's, RAM and MOBO's. I currently run a 8350, 16gig of DDR3 ram using i believe a Gigabyte 990U somet motherboard.

My cpu temps are now hitting the lofty heights of 75c during half load. Ive tried a couple of coolers and reapplied Thermal paste a few times but i think its just time to upgrade.

I was Looking at a Ryzen 5 1600 but not 100% sure of motherboard with the new chipset codes (etc x370). I was looking at
- Asus ROG STRIX B350-F
- G.SKILL Trident Z RGB DDR4 3200 PC4-25600 CL16

I use my Pc for mostly gaming, with light use of Adobe Lightroom/Photoshop and the very odd video render ( one every 3 months so not a high priority.)

Is this a system worth upgrading to, or if not, is there any changes anyone can recommended. Anyhelp would be very appreciated.

 

[BongoHunter]

What's your budget? And are you wanting all new, or keeping some current components?

You would definitely notice a difference moving from FX to Ryzen

Edit, B350 chipser motherboards are perfectly fine for all AM4 processors, X370 only really adds multi GPU support

 

[jaffveyda]

Hi there.

Been a few years since ive looked in detail at the new array of CPU's, RAM and MOBO's. I currently run a 8350, 16gig of DDR3 ram using i believe a Gigabyte 990U somet motherboard.

My cpu temps are now hitting the lofty heights of 75c during half load. Ive tried a couple of coolers and reapplied Thermal paste a few times but i think its just time to upgrade.

I was Looking at a Ryzen 5 1600 but not 100% sure of motherboard with the new chipset codes (etc x370). I was looking at
- Asus ROG STRIX B350-F
- G.SKILL Trident Z RGB DDR4 3200 PC4-25600 CL16

I use my Pc for mostly gaming, with light use of Adobe Lightroom/Photoshop and the very odd video render ( one every 3 months so not a high priority.)

Is this a system worth upgrading to, or if not, is there any changes anyone can recommended. Anyhelp would be very appreciated.

If you decide to go with R5 1600, use memory rated at 3200Mhz with Cl14, and make sure is Samsung B-die. Strix B350 is a good choice for mother board.

 

[PerfectForm]

I prefer new, I like the new tech unboxing feeling .

Budget £400-500. Rest of my system currently serves me just find, i only really play Rocket League and simulation games so atm my r9 290 is ok. I very much doubt ill ever run dual GPU's.

CL14 ram? Could you give me an example as im unsure what that actually refers to

 

[FloppyPoppy]

I prefer new, I like the new tech unboxing feeling .

Budget £400-500. Rest of my system currently serves me just find, i only really play Rocket League and simulation games so atm my r9 290 is ok. I very much doubt ill ever run dual GPU's.

CL14 ram? Could you give me an example as im unsure what that actually refers to

By CL14 he is refering to CAS latency. Some people refer this to ram timings.

CAS 14-14-14-31 for example is CL14 Ram whereas CAS 16-18-18-36 would be known as a CL16 ram. The "tighter/lower" these numbers the better.

However i wont comment a suggestion as Ryzen is very funny with ram so i will leave it to someone with experience on the platform to make that suggestion.

 

[Rainmaker]

CL14 ram? Could you give me an example as im unsure what that actually refers to

Ryzen is very picky about RAM. Because of the way the CPUs are constructed (search 'infinity fabric' and 'Ryzen ccx communication' for more) its communication and cache speeds are tied to RAM speed. Basically the faster the RAM the better the results you get from the same CPU. There are still heavy limitations though, and even with Samsung B-Die RAM and a good motherboard you're still limited to around 3200MHz, so that's about the 'sweet spot' for this platform. The best RAM you can get with guaranteed Ryzen compatibility and heavily tested to run properly at the rated speeds is 8Pack 3200MHz 16GB. That's high binned TeamGroup stuff and only available from OcUK. I run the 3,600MHz stuff on my rig, it's good memory.

As said above prices are only going to go up (on DDR4) so I'd personally grab it while you can. The kit I linked went back down briefly to £180 but it's back up at £199 again and will likely keep rising. For your usage also check out some of the new Coffee Lake chips. An i5 will clock to almost 5GHz across 6 cores and may suit you better for similar money, but you'd need to buy a slightly more expensive board atm (approx the same price as a Ryzen X370 board rather than a cheaper B350).

What cooling is your FX8350 running? I had that exact same CPU until I got my 8700k last week, and under even a basic 120mm AIO I didn't break 55oC under heavy rendering loads across all cores. Sounds more like a cooler failure or very bad case airflow or something. I've never seen temps that high. Is it heavily overclocked?

By CL14 he is refering to CAS latency. Some people refer this to ram timings.

CAS 14-14-14-31 for example is CL14 Ram whereas CAS 16-18-18-36 would be known as a CL16 ram. The "tighter/lower" these numbers the better.

To a degree. The timings are only one half of the speed equation. For example 3200MHz c14 and 3600MHz c16 are about identical in actual throughput.

 

[pigeonguyuk]

moving from FX to ryzen will definitely give u a lot of benefit. the FX chip is decent for multitasking but for gaming its utter rubbish when compared to the alternatives out there.

 

[PerfectForm]

Ryzen is very picky about RAM. Because of the way the CPUs are constructed (search 'infinity fabric' and 'Ryzen ccx communication' for more) its communication and cache speeds are tied to RAM speed. Basically the faster the RAM the better the results you get from the same CPU. There are still heavy limitations though, and even with Samsung B-Die RAM and a good motherboard you're still limited to around 3200MHz, so that's about the 'sweet spot' for this platform. The best RAM you can get with guaranteed Ryzen compatibility and heavily tested to run properly at the rated speeds is 8Pack 3200MHz 16GB. That's high binned TeamGroup stuff and only available from OcUK. I run the 3,600MHz stuff on my rig, it's good memory.

As said above prices are only going to go up (on DDR4) so I'd personally grab it while you can. The kit I linked went back down briefly to £180 but it's back up at £199 again and will likely keep rising. For your usage also check out some of the new Coffee Lake chips. An i5 will clock to almost 5GHz across 6 cores and may suit you better for similar money, but you'd need to buy a slightly more expensive board atm (approx the same price as a Ryzen X370 board rather than a cheaper B350).

What cooling is your FX8350 running? I had that exact same CPU until I got my 8700k last week, and under even a basic 120mm AIO I didn't break 55oC under heavy rendering loads across all cores. Sounds more like a cooler failure or very bad case airflow or something. I've never seen temps that high. Is it heavily overclocked?



To a degree. The timings are only one half of the speed equation. For example 3200MHz c14 and 3600MHz c16 are about identical in actual throughput.

I currently use a AIO Corsair H60 i think it is, been a while since i brought it. I have however swapped it out for Air cooling and even tried a H100I AIO and still same result.

Thank you for the Ram explanation guys, going to try and find a suitable kit now

 

[mistersprinkles]

What are you using to read your CPU temperature? I would argue that unless you are horrible at applying thermal paste and mounting coolers, your readings are faulty, as they can't be the same across 3 wildly different coolers.