Not a amd vs Intel thread

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Hi thanks for looking.

I'm currently using a ryzen 7 2700x and was thinking of upgrading to a ryzen 9 5900x but after a little experiment the other night I found my gaming performance was a hell of a lot better with a 10 year old Intel xeon cpu than it is with the ryzen 7 cpu! I would just stick with the xeon setup if I hadn't had to modify the xeon rigs psu to accommodate the rtx 3070 power connectors. Anyway I'm now thinking of going back to Intel, well I am going back to Intel! What would some Intel guys recommend? I was gonna spend £500 on a ryzen 9.

 

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I'd recommend you do a little reading, then wait until later this month/ next month, when the new intel is released.

It is odd that your gaming perf was the way it was. I ponder if something else was wrong in your system.

Tbh this amd rig has been nothing but agg since I made it. Windows performance wise it's great but as soon as I throw a game at it performance is way off. I've changed the psu changed the ram fiddled with countless bios settings. Had issues with cpu over voltage and running way above its rated wattage even though the bios settings were set to standard ie no over clocking. After trying the 3070 in a old xeon rig and noticing a gain of 60fps on some titles makes me wonder. It's put me right off amd anyway. I've always used Intel and its always been a simple case of install the cpu switch the machine on and it's ready to go without having to ponce around with bios options. Is it coffee lake I should be waiting for? Thanks.

 

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MSI motherboard by any chance?

No it's a asus motherboard. I've always found them to be quite reliable.

 

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What is the Xeon system specs?

Hi its a dual xeon e5649 @ 2666 mhz
16gb ddr3 1333 ecc
Motherboard is a hp board Intel 5520 chipset
Cheap and cheerful 120gb ssd drive
I think the psu is 1.2kw
Windows 10 x64

 

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Is it crazy that every time I see someone here with "Dave" in their username I instantly think it's Dave2150

I prefer dodgy dave

 

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I think I will wait for the Alderlake.

With this ryzen when gaming I've always had random freezes or frame drops to 0 only for a nano second bit still annoying especially when a xbox performs better at a fraction of the price.

With the xeon system I didn't get the random freezing.

I've tried different memory. Changed the psu. Disabled every oc setting in the bios. Tried different memory speeds and timings. One thing I did notice is that the frame drops coincide with fluctuations in the fan on the radiator. So I set the cooling fan to full speed permanently even tried locking the cpu clock as its constantly changing, thought maybe it's thermal throttling but with the fans on full the cpu is a steady 55 degrees. Some games that are more cpu dependent struggle bad yet cpu usage never goes above 40%. I don't know if that's good or bad i.e the cpu is overkill or it's not being utilised properly.

 

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Is that 500 for a whole CPU + mobo + RAM combo or just the CPU? Supposedly you might get a 12700K for that. From what I'm seeing in stores Intel has stopped shipping Rocket Lake CPUs as they're preparing for the new line-up, because the i5 11400f was great value when it was available.

https://www.techspot.com/news/91109-pricing-alder-lake-leaks-looks-like-can-burn.html

If your mobo supports an R5 5600X then I'd just go with that, it's a great performer and you don't need to change everything, which would make it great value as an upgrade. Granted it sounds like you might have issues with your existing mobo+ram so it's harder to judge in that case, that's something you have to figure out.

£500 for the cpu only, oh I do get a prism cooler thrown it but I already have a liquid cooler.

 

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If just been looking thru the BIOS and my memory timings are fooked! It's all set to auto except speed which is set to 3200 because it won't run at 3600 with my cpu. Even though it's set at 3200 the timings are the same as they would be at 3600? I set the speed to auto which clocked it to 2666 and the timings were what the vendor lists for that speed. Tried a game and the frame rate has doubled. So I tried to manually input the timings at 3200 which I belive are 16-18-18-36 and it was worse than before! Am I missing something?

 

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Hi o the

Your memory timings and speed don't have that much impact on performance, best case its 20%. something is wrong.

What are your 3200Mhz auto timings?

Hi they were 18-22-22-42 which is the same as it should be at 3600. From what I've been reading it only has one xmp profile for 3600 nothing else so I don't think the mb even knows what the timings should be at any other speed apart from the stock speed.

 

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Try it at 18-18-18-42, 3200Mhz

It's not having none of it. Any clock above standard 2666 I start losing fps in games. The higher I go the less fps I get. This pc is destined for the bin I think.

 

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How many frames do you drop?

It's 40fps on some titles. I've been doing a bit of reading and a lot of gamers say ram makes the most difference when it comes to frame rates?