NVIDIA 4000 Series

[JediFragger]

One thing I can tell you is, boy the difference between it and the QD-OLED is night and day. Great for office work and a bit of light gaming though, but if someone said to me take it and a 4090 or the Alienware and a 7900 XT I would go go for the latter without hesitation. The image quality difference is bigger than RT or anything like that imo

Have to concur. I briefly tried that Dell (new at £273) and although good I couldn't get over the smearing so picked up an Alienware DWF for £550 and it's night and day different.

 

[Amatsubu]

I think you did alright. Though I did get that Dell monitor for the missus not long ago brand new for around that price direct from Dell

One thing I can tell you is, boy the difference between it and the QD-OLED is night and day. Great for office work and a bit of light gaming though, but if someone said to me take it and a 4090 or the Alienware and a 7900 XT I would go go for the latter without hesitation. The image quality difference is bigger than RT or anything like that imo

Yeah, but you can't buy directly from Dell around here, unfortunately

I know the difference having used a pretty great OLED for a year or so already and my current monitor being VA but it becomes a really big gap only in dark conditions and my room is super bright, I rarely use my PC in the dark TBH so I would lose out on the 3423's biggest strength. Plus the 22DWG can be calibrated to pretty impressive level colours-wise and its decently bright. It'll never quite reach OLED in anything but it's cheap and I don't have to think about burn in, text fringing or black levels seeming elevated during the day due to coating.

It'll do for an all-purpose stopgap until I get used to 21:9 and if I don't feel it's too small jump to whatever the tech brings to the table

 

[TNA]

Yeah, but you can't buy directly from Dell around here, unfortunately

I know the difference having used a pretty great OLED for a year or so already and my current monitor being VA but it becomes a really big gap only in dark conditions and my room is super bright, I rarely use my PC in the dark TBH so I would lose out on the 3423's biggest strength. Plus the 22DWG can be calibrated to pretty impressive level colours-wise and its decently bright. It'll never quite reach OLED in anything but it's cheap and I don't have to think about burn in, text fringing or black levels seeming elevated during the day due to coating.

It'll do for an all-purpose stopgap until I get used to 21:9 and if I don't feel it's too small jump to whatever the tech brings to the table

Takes time to get used to 21:9. It certainly has a lot of pros and looks cool. But I would have no issues going back to 16:9 personally. Took me almost a year to get used to it in games.

 

[Dicehunter]

Quite interesting, Only cards with mesh shaders can play Alan Wake 2 -

https://twitter.com/newincpp/status/1715742105019031976?t=Ra_XopG3X3m1Za2tbqL_Pg&s=19

 

[TNA]

Quite interesting, Only cards with mesh shaders can play Alan Wake 2 -

https://twitter.com/newincpp/status/1715742105019031976?t=Ra_XopG3X3m1Za2tbqL_Pg&s=19

Mesh shaders? Not sure I heard of that before. Does my card have it? I assume most do otherwise their TAM would be relatively small.

 

[Man-In-A-Teapot]

Shader - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Think that means RDNA2 and Ampere are the first to fully support it, and Vega and Turing have some functionality.

In the system requirements everything is RDNA2/Ampere or better apart from at 1080p low where nVidia 20 series cards make an appearance.

 

[Rroff]

Mesh shaders? Not sure I heard of that before. Does my card have it? I assume most do otherwise their TAM would be relatively small.

Minimum specs are a 2060 or 6600 - but not clear if there is a fallback path. In theory any DX12 capable GPU should be able to do most mesh shader functions with some caveats.

 

[Grim5]

Quite interesting, Only cards with mesh shaders can play Alan Wake 2 -

https://twitter.com/newincpp/status/1715742105019031976?t=Ra_XopG3X3m1Za2tbqL_Pg&s=19

That tweet is deleted. If you can please find another

 

[Dicehunter]

That tweet is deleted. If you can please find another

Managed to find a screenshot, The person who did the tweet is a dev at remedy and he started getting some threatening replies so he deleted it.

 

[Amatsubu]

Takes time to get used to 21:9. It certainly has a lot of pros and looks cool. But I would have no issues going back to 16:9 personally. Took me almost a year to get used to it in games.

Yeah, I have to see how I feel about it.
Didn't go all the way because the retail pricing on both the 4000 series and Alienware is pretty damn crazy here.

If I could get it for 500-600quid then yeah but the thing is consistently around 900 quid with small discounts from time to time and no way to buy directly from Dell and I have a few problems with it at that price.

As for your question about mesh shaders, your 3080Ti supports that

 

[Grim5]

Managed to find a screenshot, The person who did the tweet is a dev at remedy and he started getting some threatening replies so he deleted it.

Thanks

Love me some Remedy. Always pushing new tech hard, same with CDPR. Pitty about the threats, PC gamers can be a toxic whiny bunch.

I know people are gonna complain and 90% of the time it's people who had no intention of ever playing the game anyway and just like to moan and act like the world is out to get them, when actually very few games push next gen features, the vast majority of new games still retain last gen visuals to run on last gen hardware but rather than be happy about that, some people will complain about the 1 game they can't play instead of being happy about the 1000 they can play

 

[Dicehunter]

Love me some Remedy. Always pushing new tech hard, same with CDPR. Pitty about the threats, PC gamers can be a toxic whiny bunch.

It's the same with the console crowd, You wanna see the arguments between PS5 and XBSX owners when there's a multiplat game and they are arguing over literal blades of grass and then threatening the dev with murder because the game isn't 10,000% perfect on their chosen plastic box.

Psychopaths are quite numerous in both communities and until there are real world harsh consequences, This behavior will only get worse.

 

[TNA]

Yeah, I have to see how I feel about it.
Didn't go all the way because the retail pricing on both the 4000 series and Alienware is pretty damn crazy here.

If I could get it for 500-600quid then yeah but the thing is consistently around 900 quid with small discounts from time to time and no way to buy directly from Dell and I have a few problems with it at that price.

As for your question about mesh shaders, your 3080Ti supports that

Ah shame. We got it worse than USA here, you seem to have worse than we do here. Lol.

Yeah I was almost certain my 3080 Ti had it. Otherwise there would not be many people for the to sell the game to

 

[MartinPrince]

Takes time to get used to 21:9. It certainly has a lot of pros and looks cool. But I would have no issues going back to 16:9 personally. Took me almost a year to get used to it in games.

I went back to 16:9 and I'm happy I did. Too many games I played just didn't have proper 21:9 support and only really stretched 16:9. You can demonstrate this by putting an object in the centre of the screen, then moving so that the same object is in the corner of the screen; if it remains the same size then the game has proper 21:9 support. If it is stretched or much bigger then it doesn't.

I still have the 21:9 monitor positioned above my main monitor; it's great for wide screen movies when I'm "working".

Are you planning to pick up a 2nd hand 4090 when 5000 series is here or hoping against hope that the next gen is priced better?

 

[Dave2150]

It's the same with the console crowd, You wanna see the arguments between PS5 and XBSX owners when there's a multiplat game and they are arguing over literal blades of grass and then threatening the dev with murder because the game isn't 10,000% perfect on their chosen plastic box.

Psychopaths are quite numerous in both communities and until there are real world harsh consequences, This behavior will only get worse.

+1. This is part drove me away from competitive multiplayer games. One thing for sure, there's a lot of people hurting out there and their only avenue to vent this hurt is to be equally hurtful and abusive to others, over online pixels.

I'm having a far more enjoyable time with singleplayer games.

 

[TNA]

I went back to 16:9 and I'm happy I did. Too many games I played just didn't have proper 21:9 support and only really stretched 16:9. You can demonstrate this by putting an object in the centre of the screen, then moving so that the same object is in the corner of the screen; if it remains the same size then the game has proper 21:9 support. If it is stretched or much bigger then it doesn't.

I still have the 21:9 monitor positioned above my main monitor; it's great for wide screen movies when I'm "working".

Yeah and I feel if I get a 32" or 40" 4K panel I can run the at 21:9 if I ever wanted to for a specific game. Though I kid of doubt I would. Will see though, I may go back and miss 21:9

Are you planning to pick up a 2nd hand 4090 when 5000 series is here or hoping against hope that the next gen is priced better?

Hard to say. If the 5000 series is priced right then I may go for that. If not maybe a used 4090 from someone on here. All depends. Will do what's best with the info available at the time.

 

[Amatsubu]

Ah shame. We got it worse than USA here, you seem to have worse than we do here. Lol.

Yeah I was almost certain my 3080 Ti had it. Otherwise there would not be many people for the to sell the game to

AFAIK it's pre RTX 2xxx that don't support mesh.

Yup, you can get stuff at decent prices here if you look around and hardware is widely available but 4000 series in particular has bonkers retail and you can't order from Dell directly for whatever resson. They have loads of official retailers but they don't offer the same discounts;/

I went back to 16:9 and I'm happy I did. Too many games I played just didn't have proper 21:9 support and only really stretched 16:9. You can demonstrate this by putting an object in the centre of the screen, then moving so that the same object is in the corner of the screen; if it remains the same size then the game has proper 21:9 support. If it is stretched or much bigger then it doesn't.

I still have the 21:9 monitor positioned above my main monitor; it's great for wide screen movies when I'm "working".

Are you planning to pick up a 2nd hand 4090 when 5000 series is here or hoping against hope that the next gen is priced better?

I'm most concerned about the loss of vertical space, wanted to go for 38" UW as that's perfect but not worth it over QD-OLEDS at its current pricing. Additional pixels to drive as well.

Also waiting for the 5000 series, that's why I opted for just a 4070. It'll get a year of use probably and TUF is excellent when it comes thermals and build quality. Used 4090 is also an option as I suppose 5000 won't come cheap

+1. This is part drove me away from competitive multiplayer games. One thing for sure, there's a lot of people hurting out there and their only avenue to vent this hurt is to be equally hurtful and abusive to others, over online pixels.

I'm having a far more enjoyable time with singleplayer games.

I play Tekken somewhat competitively and the number of toxic mfs who ragequit or troll is off the hook so I understand the sentiment.

I'm enrolled for the closed network tests of Tekken 8, playing it now actually, and there are blokes dumb enough to ragequit in a damn BETA with nothing on the line

 

[Dicehunter]

Also waiting for the 5000 series, that's why I opted for just a 4070. It'll get a year of use probably and TUF is excellent when it comes thermals and build quality. Used 4090 is also an option as I suppose 5000 won't come cheap

If you only just got the card you'll get slightly more than a year, Spring 2025 is when 5000 series is slated for according to Nvidia and yeah I have a sneaking suspicion they're going to be even more expensive than the 4000 series, Putting a lot of people off buying and going the console route.

 

[Amatsubu]

If you only just got the card you'll get slightly more than a year, Spring 2025 is when 5000 series is slated for according to Nvidia and yeah I have a sneaking suspicion they're going to be even more expensive than the 4000 series, Putting a lot of people off buying and going the console route.

Yup, hasn't even arrived yet. Should tide me over nicely but, yeah, I suppose a used 4090 will be a better option knowing nvidia.

 

[JediFragger]

Spring 2025 is when 5000 series is slated for according to Nvidia

Rumour != Fact!