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NVIDIA 4000 Series

TNA said:
Not forgetting. We simply don't know what Jensen will choose to do. But what I can say is I would not be surprised if used 4090's go for a 3!figure sum in 2025.

You make it sound like that is a mad thing to say it is not ;)
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That would be quite sad as I was hoping to pick up a lovingly used 4090 for £600 :(
 
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GhostDog1981 said:
That would be quite sad as I was hoping to pick up a 4090 for £600 :(
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Now I can say almost zero chance of that. For that to be the case there would have to be a massive improvement in price for performance.

I see an improvement. But not a massive one. Not from Nvidia anyway. Maybe AMD? But I gave up on them a few gens ago. They kept banging on about being premium and pricing their cards stupid also.
 
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If the demand is there for high performance GPUS in 2025 and the only retail option is a 50 series at high 4 figures (let's be real, they will be high 4 figures for both 80 and 90 class given current trends and what nvidia has already shown and stated on the record), then the 4090 will remain a high price still, just not high 4 figures. I can't see it dropping to 3 figures in 2025 when the only option to get high end gaming is to spend high 4 figures on a 5080 or 5090. This creates a performance to price market in the used segment, and we all know how that went in years gone by.

I'm saying it how I see it playing out logically. Nvidia stopping production and restricting stock of 40 series creates a playing field for the used high end market to once again go a bit crazy. Nvidia don't care, long as the only retail options are 50 series at £xxxx.

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The only saving grace is that Battlemage will slot right into the mid-priced tier with mid to high end performance IF it does indeed match 4080 performance at up to half the cost. Battlemage has only just gone into shipping stocks which means vendors are playtesting boards to verify viability, so later this year we could see the first cards hit the shelves which would be very interesting at creating a disruption. nvidia would have to lower prices if they want any chance of anyone wanting to buy a 5070/5060 otherwise all of that market will head over to Intel ARC. Who knows what AMD are doing, Lucy seems to say they're interested in XYZ, but the only developments so far have been to open source FSR and decouple FG from upscaling. Didn't she also say they are more focused on AI now too just like Nvidia...
 
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mrk said:
If the demand is there for high performance GPUS in 2025 and the only retail option is a 50 series at high 4 figures (let's be real, they will be high 4 figures for both 80 and 90 class given current trends and what nvidia has already shown and stated on the record), then the 4090 will remain a high price still, just not high 4 figures. I can't see it dropping to 3 figures in 2025 when the only option to get high end gaming is to spend high 4 figures on a 5080 or 5090. This creates a performance to price market in the used segment, and we all know how that went in years gone by.

I'm saying it how I see it playing out logically. Nvidia stopping production and restricting stock of 40 series creates a playing field for the used high end market to once again go a bit crazy. Nvidia don't care, long as the only retail options are 50 series at £xxxx.
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But we are talking about used prices. Not brand new ones.

Now I do get that people lately pay silly prices for them but if we do get DLSS 4 and it is something good and locked to 5000 series that alone will make the used price lower.

I do understand what you are saying. Logic does say Jensen will price cards stupid. But it will depend on how stupid.
 
TNA said:
But we are talking about used prices. Not brand new ones.

Now I do get that people lately pay silly prices for them but if we do get DLSS 4 and it is something good and locked to 5000 series that alone will make the used price lower.

I do understand what you are saying. Logic does say Jensen will price cards stupid. But it will depend on how stupid.
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Why did the 3090 drop to around £700 used then in 2022 from £1399?
 
GhostDog1981 said:
Why did the 3090 drop to around £700 used then in 2022 from £1399?
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Yes. But it is not an exact science. That card was never worth the asking price when a 3080 which was like 15% or there abouts slower was less than half the cost. People paid over double for vram that likely never got used before they upgraded to a 4090 and oh for epeen :D

The ones that did not end upgrading are the ones I feel more sorry for. Majorly deflated epeen and stuck on a card they paid all that money for which absolutely got slaughtered by the 4090, which does not cost that much more relatively speaking :cry:
 
TNA said:
Yes. But it is not an exact science. That card was never worth the asking price when a 3080 which was like 15% or there abouts slower was less than half the cost. People paid over double for vram that likely never got used before they upgraded to a 4090 and oh for epeen :D

The ones that did not end upgrading are the ones I feel more sorry for. Majorly deflated epeen and stuck on a card they paid all that money for which absolutely got slaughtered by the 4090, which does not cost that much more relatively speaking :cry:
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Maybe buy in midrange every gen is the way to go? Lose about £200 off a £500 card every year is cheaper than losing £800 off a £1500 card every year?
 
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That only applied back then, it does not apply any more when the pricing has shifted in a big way as well as performance to that price ratio.

TNA said:
Yes. But it is not an exact science. That card was never worth the asking price when a 3080 which was like 15% or there abouts slower was less than half the cost. People paid over double for vram that likely never got used before they upgraded to a 4090 and oh for epeen
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The ones that did not end upgrading are the ones I feel more sorry for. Majorly deflated epeen and stuck on a card they paid all that money for which absolutely got slaughtered by the 4090, which does not cost that much more relatively speaking
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Yes the 3090 series was the nvidia trick move at highlighting proof of concept of Operation Luls at Nvidia HQ. A card that simply didn't perform sizeable better at any game at the time than a 3080, yet cost like double?!

There wasn't any other option for those /needing/ 24GB VRAM though for workload usage so I guess there was that too.

Then the 4090 came along costing less per fps and a massive boost in general performance whilst drawing less power than a 3090 (even a 3080 lol depending on the game) and people just went a bit mad. Admittedly I got my 4090 at FE price minus 20% VAT and other cashback so I can't really speak relative to what others have been paying, plus selling the 380 Ti for £725 added to the laughable nature of the upgrade being a total no brainer. It would have been a crime not to upgrade at the time.
 
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GhostDog1981 said:
Fair play. Was the 4090 just too much gpu for your needs in the end?
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I haven't sold it yet, and I won't unless I get offer I'm happy with, but yes for the most part more than I needed,

only 3 games strained my system really Alan Wake 2, Star Citizen and CP 2077, sure there may have been others.

Spent most of my time in games I could have had a much cheaper GPU in the system, but still better to have it when called upon. I forgot Ghost of Tsushima is dropping next month as well, so someone will definitely have to offer me what I'm after to part with it.
 
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GhostDog1981 said:
Maybe buy in midrange every gen is the way to go? Lose about £200 off a £500 card every year is cheaper than losing £800 off a £1500 card every year?
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Yep. That is what I typically do. Don't like to let my cards depreciate silly amounts. Also mid range cards tend to be more efficient, use less power and output less heat.

My 4070 Ti is very efficient. Better than 3090 performance for less than half the watts needed. Oh and cost me £575 brand new :D

Butt but but vram someone will say. Well, İ have yet to run out in anything I have played so why pay for something I do not need? :p
 
TNA said:
Butt but but vram someone will say. Well, İ have yet to run out in anything I have played so why pay for something I do not need? :p
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VRAM isn't just about games remember, some of us do productivity :p I've seen 17-19GB VRAM used on some of my photo edit batches for example!
 
mrk said:
VRAM isn't just about games remember, some of us do productivity :p I've seen 17-19GB VRAM used on some of my photo edit batches for example!
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Sure, but that is not most people here imo. Most get the cards for gaming and the epeen :p

Oh and how did you ever manage doing your productivity before a 4090? :p
 
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TNA said:
Sure, but that is not most people here imo. Most get the cards for gaming and the epeen :p

Oh and how did you ever manage doing your productivity before a 4090? :p
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Slowly. It took 40mins+ (worst case scenario) to export the same batch workloads on the 3080 Ti. It now takes single digit minutes to do the same job.
 
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