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ltron · 20 Sep 2022 at 21:22

HACO said:
It really depends on how well it's implemented.

Frame interpolation is not something new, we'll have to wait and see how much better these "AI" stuff are. The original DLSS was not that much better than traditional resolution upscaling, it was DLSS 2 that made a big difference. It could very well be that the this first generation of frame generation DLSS would be a gimmick and future generations would be the real killers.

However, the actual reason frame interpolation didn't really become popular in gaming was never poor visual quality, it was about the fact that the generated frames didn't feel right as they didn't follow the game logic, they were only shown to the end user. And this added a perception of input lag that isn't consistent (frame rates vary, so this lag will vary as well), so difficult to predict for the gamer. This would be nice in the likes of flight simulator though, but not all games.

We'll just have to wait and see before calling it a killer feature.

You are quite right, after the 3080 = 2x 2080 fiasco we have to treat these claims with caution.

g67575 · 20 Sep 2022 at 21:23

The Witcher 3 (presumably remastered) is getting DLSS 3. Hope it will get DLSS 2.xx as well

Tired9 · 20 Sep 2022 at 21:23

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DLSS 3 consists of 3 technologies – DLSS Frame Generation, DLSS Super Resolution, and NVIDIA Reflex.
DLSS Frame Generation uses RTX 40 Series high-speed Optical Flow Accelerator to calculate the motion flow that is used for the AI network, then executes the network on 4th Generation Tensor Cores. Support for previous GPU architectures would require further innovation in optical flow and AI model optimization.
DLSS Super Resolution and NVIDIA Reflex will of course remain supported on prior generation hardware, so a broader set of customers will continue to benefit from new DLSS 3 integrations. We continue to train the AI model for DLSS Super Resolution and will provide updates for all RTX GPUs as our research

Grim5 · 20 Sep 2022 at 21:23

Asus kind enough to show how huge the 4090 Strix is compared to the 3090 strix

https://twitter.com/x/status/1572272657760153600

HACO · 20 Sep 2022 at 21:25

Tired9 said:
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DLSS 3 consists of 3 technologies – DLSS Frame Generation, DLSS Super Resolution, and NVIDIA Reflex.
DLSS Frame Generation uses RTX 40 Series high-speed Optical Flow Accelerator to calculate the motion flow that is used for the AI network, then executes the network on 4th Generation Tensor Cores. Support for previous GPU architectures would require further innovation in optical flow and AI model optimization.
DLSS Super Resolution and NVIDIA Reflex will of course remain supported on prior generation hardware, so a broader set of customers will continue to benefit from new DLSS 3 integrations. We continue to train the AI model for DLSS Super Resolution and will provide updates for all RTX GPUs as our research

So it was planned obsolescence all along

JGF111 · 20 Sep 2022 at 21:26

that actually doesnt look that much chonkier to me. longer/wider but same thickness?

Nexus18 · 20 Sep 2022 at 21:27

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DLSS 3 consists of 3 technologies – DLSS Frame Generation, DLSS Super Resolution, and NVIDIA Reflex.
DLSS Frame Generation uses RTX 40 Series high-speed Optical Flow Accelerator to calculate the motion flow that is used for the AI network, then executes the network on 4th Generation Tensor Cores. Support for previous GPU architectures would require further innovation in optical flow and AI model optimization.
DLSS Super Resolution and NVIDIA Reflex will of course remain supported on prior generation hardware, so a broader set of customers will continue to benefit from new DLSS 3 integrations. We continue to train the AI model for DLSS Super Resolution and will provide updates for all RTX GPUs as our research

So ampere and probably turing will be able to use dlss 3? Just most likely not the frame generation feature (which is the main thing for increasing performance?), at least not yet anyway.....

Tired9 · 20 Sep 2022 at 21:28

Nexus18 said:
So ampere and probably turing will be able to use dlss 3? Just most likely not the frame generation feature (which is the main thing for increasing performance?), at least not yet anyway.....

It reads one of two ways, it's a load of jargon and to me has double meaning.

mrk · 20 Sep 2022 at 21:28

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DLSS 3 consists of 3 technologies – DLSS Frame Generation, DLSS Super Resolution, and NVIDIA Reflex.
DLSS Frame Generation uses RTX 40 Series high-speed Optical Flow Accelerator to calculate the motion flow that is used for the AI network, then executes the network on 4th Generation Tensor Cores. Support for previous GPU architectures would require further innovation in optical flow and AI model optimization.
DLSS Super Resolution and NVIDIA Reflex will of course remain supported on prior generation hardware, so a broader set of customers will continue to benefit from new DLSS 3 integrations. We continue to train the AI model for DLSS Super Resolution and will provide updates for all RTX GPUs as our research

So what this translates to is 30xx cards can still enable DLSS 3, but to get the /best/ out of DLSS 3 you would need a 40 series card.

Much like how DirectStorage will work on Windows 10's legacy storage subsystem, but works to its fullest on Windows 11 due to the next gen storage stack.

Nexus18 · 20 Sep 2022 at 21:30

Tired9 said:
It reads one of two ways, it's a load of jargon and to me has double meaning.

I think it will just be a case of what mrk said, we'll be able to use dlss 3, we just aren't going to see the same performance improvements as what we would with the 40xx and dlss 3.

cHk4 · 20 Sep 2022 at 21:31

There seems to be a lot of negativity around the announcements so my question is, those who were going for a 4090, what are your thoughts? Happy? Still going for one? FE or going for an AIB?

g67575 · 20 Sep 2022 at 21:31

DLSS 3 = paid DLC?

HACO · 20 Sep 2022 at 21:32

Nexus18 said:
So ampere and probably turing will be able to use dlss 3? Just most likely not the frame generation feature (which is the main thing for increasing performance?), at least not yet anyway.....

Just means that DLSS 3 is DLSS 2 + frame generation. 40x0 gets frame generation, and everything else will remain on DLSS 2 (AKA DLSS 3 without frame generation).

DLSS_3 = DLSS_2 + frame_generation
DLSS_2 = DLSS_3 - frame_generation

Nvidia is a genius!

Stu999 · 20 Sep 2022 at 21:32

Maybe Nvidia should start developing games so there’s something actually worth playing on their cards.

jwilliamson47 · 20 Sep 2022 at 21:32

g67575 said:
DLSS 3 = paid DLC?

Nvidia Horse Armour.

Joxeon · 20 Sep 2022 at 21:32

brostradamus said:
amd doesnt have teh capacity to do any kind of market grab strategy, its just going to be another season of match the prices
edit: only if intel was in a position to do something abt this

AMD should offer to buy up all that TSMC capacity nvidia were trying to get rid off and then proceed to clean up.

TNA · 20 Sep 2022 at 21:32

gpuerrilla said:
Its not about handing it to AMD, people need to remember how nvidia screws them over in some way shape or form. Locking features out and this proprietary move rubbish is unreal that together with steep prices they get away with it time and time again. #plannedobsolescence

Yep. Remember it well, and then reward them by buying a 3090 eh gpuerrila? :cry:

Frenzy · 20 Sep 2022 at 21:33

Stu999 said:
Maybe Nvidia should start developing games so there’s something actually worth playing on their cards.

This is what gets me, we aren't swimming in titles, well at least ones I want to play.

Tired9 · 20 Sep 2022 at 21:33

jwilliamson47 said:
Nvidia Horse Armour.

Away with you and back to Oblivion!

JGF111 · 20 Sep 2022 at 21:33

I am very much in the market for one of these. Either 4080 16 gig or 4090. But I am absolutely waiting to at least get eyes on the 7900XT (I need a complete new box so waiting was a foregone conclusion

). I mean to buy something that will have no problems with 4K/120+ hz with all the bells and whistles with enough headroom to last at least a comfortable 4-6 years (my normal upgrade pattern is a new card roughly every 5 years give or take)