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humbug said:
Thinking more about this, i don't think AMD would have them, they don't have the market share, it would spread supply to others too thin, and literally this.....
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EVGA was Nvidia's top partner in North America and with their popularity in the enthusiast community, AMD would take them in a heartbeat. They might get limited stock allocations in the immediate future but will be able to get more, especially if doesn't come at the expense of existing AIBs and instead comes from growth in market share.

I suspect this will happen but they might skip a generation until new management comes in at EVGA.
 
HACO said:
EVGA was Nvidia's top partner in North America and with their popularity in the enthusiast community, AMD would take them in a heartbeat. They might get limited stock allocations in the immediate future but will be able to get more, especially if doesn't come at the expense of existing AIBs and instead comes from growth in market share.

I suspect this will happen but they might skip a generation until new management comes in at EVGA.
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They don't have the market share to supply EVGA and MSI and Gigabyte and Asus and Powercolor and XFX and ASRock and Sapphire.

Why pee-off their principle partner to take on an AIB you can't supply anyway?
 
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Murphy said:
No, not technically. That would be like saying everyone with USB 1 are now getting USB 3 simply because you can plug a USB 3 device into a USB 1 port.

Nvidia have tried to pull the wool over peoples eyes, the only feature that makes DLSS 3, DLSS 3 is the frame generation feature without that what do you have? DLSS 2 is what.

Well it's not "you lot" as i said that, no one else. Secondly: Yes argument. Or are you not giving reasons why you support an idea or suggestion that DLSS 3 can be used by previous generation cards? Because it sure seems like you're making statements called premises intended to determine the degree of truth or acceptability of another statement called conclusion (maybe it would help if you looked the word argument up in a dictionary).

No i do not concur, for the very same reasons you've had explained to you on multiple occasions now. If as you claim there's some other new feature of DLSS 3 then you're more than welcome to say what that is, because simply forcing an existing feature to be turned on is not a new feature (not that i accept your proposition that people using a 30 series card will have Reflex forced on whether they want it or not).

Yes Nvidia said Reflex is integrated with DLSS 3 but as you've been told that's because frame predictions undoubtedly introduces latency, if you're not using the frame prediction feature of DLSS 3 then Reflex is not needed, if you're not using the frame prediction feature of DLSS 3 then you're not using DLSS 3, you're using DLSS 2.

Reflex has been a feature of DLSS since version 2 so no, i do not concur. Simply forcing something to be used is not a new feature, it's a requirement for the use of a new feature. Saying it's a new feature would be like saying TPM is a new feature of Windows 11, it's not, it's a requirement.

Also no i do not concur that frame generation is 1 of the 3 features of DLSS 3, DLSS 3 only introduces one extra feature, frame generation, the other two are features of previous versions. If someone forces you do do something before doing something that's not a feature, it's a requirement.

What next, are you going to claim that breathing is a feature of wanting to live?
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Reflex is not a new technology, this we agree on.

DLSS 3 is made up of 3 subset of features:

Reflex - this is "new" to dlss, it was never apart of dlss 2 as per nvidias very own article stating that "reflex is now apart of dlss 3" i.e. it wasn't apart of dlss before v3

Frame generation - this is new to dlss and only allowed to be used with 40xx hardware

super resolution dlss - unsure on this one but I read it as if this has always been apart of dlss and is the main dlss feature i.e. basically upsampling.... however...... look at this image on the bottom where it states the settings at the bottom of the graph i.e. "DLSS super resolution performance mode, DLSS frame generation on", to me that indicates there is a new "super resolution performance" dlss preset to go alongside with "quality, balanced, performance, ultra performance" presets and that the "frame generation" will have its own option given what has been stated where all RTX owners will get "super resolution performance"

Reflex within dlss v3 is enabled regardless of "frame generation" if nvidias article is anything to go by i.e. the subset features turn on regardless of frame generation feature being on/off, that is my understanding on that bit anyway:

In a pre-release version of Cyberpunk 2077’s new Ray Tracing: Overdrive mode, DLSS 3 enables DLSS Super Resolution, DLSS Frame Generation, and NVIDIA Reflex to boost performance by up to 4X, and increase responsiveness by 2X, compared to native resolution, all while maintaining great image quality.
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Also, reflex provides a benefit to system latency regardless of frame generation, of course the reason it has been added is to primarily facilitate with the frame generation feature but that doesn't mean it won't bring benefits to ampere and turing owners who are using dlss without the frame generation.

Not to mention, for all we know there could "potentially" be improvements to dlss in itself outside of these 3 features but obviously the likes of DF will need to confirm that.
 
Captain said:
4 x 8pin connectors on that PNY 4090, is that a typo?
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The card has an 12pin the same as the founders 3080ti/3090/3090ti cards looking at it so unless the image is incorrect it’s looking like a normal draw. PNYs site could be wrong just as the image could be as that’s definitely a 12 pin and not a 16 pin on the image on the sales page.

Given how the psu requirement is 850w, the power draw on these new cards doesn’t seem to be anywhere near as silly as leaks suggested. That’s the same as last gen and the power connector is the same as last gen… interesting to see, hopefully this translates in the real world.

Edit: A good zoom in shows it’s the 12 pin plus flat slot 4 pin so a “16” pin.

That’s a 600w connector. Just because it’s a 600w connector doesn’t mean the card will draw all of that. The PSU requirement confirms as such.
 
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tommybhoy said:
@Murphy I put a couple a quid in the prayer box for you.:cry:
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But do you not see the point I am making? :cry:

As per nvidias very own words, there are 3 new features to dlss which form dlss v3, reflex, super resolution and frame generation, 40xx gets all 3, turing and ampere gets 2 of the 3 :cry: At the very least 1 of those features is new to dlss for turing and ampere owners i.e. reflex :D
 
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