NVIDIA 4000 Series

labbby · 21 Sep 2022 at 17:18

Gibbo said:
NVIDIA would not be happy, I've made sure 4080 16G and 4080 12G are separate listings as they are different cards.

Was thinking they wouldn’t find it amusing but worth a thought

Good to know on the separate listings

greatash · 21 Sep 2022 at 17:18

4070 for almost a grand :cry:

skipping this gen for sure, not like I've played anything that's even stressed my 3080 in the last few months. Still waiting for "next gen" games, guess we won't get them till the 5000 series is here and last gen consoles are dropped for good.

I would take a guess that the 4080 12gb (or 4070 as I'm, going to refer to it as) will be barely faster or the same speed as the 3080/3080ti/3090.

Murphy · 21 Sep 2022 at 17:20

Nexus18 said:
I won't comment on that "feature" of dlss 3 any further until there is more clarification what is what with it though, especially since we have no indication as to if there have been further improvements in dlss itself.

No, i image not considering "super resolution" is almost certainly not a 'new' feature.

Nexus18 said:
Bear in mind, the comment of yours I have been referring to here:

Where is here? A blank quote that doesn't link back to the actual post you took it from doesn't help much, i guess you mean my response to you initially claiming DLSS 3 was made of of three 'new' features.

Because even if I've got it wrong by saying they've been a feature of DLSS 2 since day 1, Reflex has AFAIK been a part of DLSS 2 since it was introduced with the 30 series, and assuming Nvidia are referring to the Super Sampling part of DLSS when they say Super Resolution that's been a part of DLSS and by extension DLSS 2 since DLSS was invented, even if I've got that wrong it still doesn't change the fact that DLSS 3 is not made up of three 'new' features.

Joxeon · 21 Sep 2022 at 17:20

opethdisciple said:
Then AMD have a huge opportunity to capitalise.

Not only do they have the opportunity to gain marketshare and mindshare with fed up gamers they could also damage nvidia financially by preventing them from offloading all the surplus ampere dies and forcing them into a write off.

tommybhoy · 21 Sep 2022 at 17:23

Nexus18 said:
Bear in mind, the comment of yours I have been referring to here:

You realise the forum would crash if everyone done that with your posts? :cry:

gpuerrilla · 21 Sep 2022 at 17:23

greatash said:
4070 for almost a grand skipping this gen for sure, not like I've played anything that's even stressed my 3080 in the last few months. Still waiting for "next gen" games, guess we won't get them till the 5000 series is here and last gen consoles are dropped for good.

I would take a guess that the 4080 12gb (or 4070 as I'm, going to refer to it as) will be barely faster or the same speed as the 3080/3080ti/3090.

You sir are today's winner!!

deuse · 21 Sep 2022 at 17:23

If the 4090cards all have the same plugs.
Wonder how the aib will get more power for overclocking...
Or are they all the same?

I think there is another 4090 coming soon.

brostradamus · 21 Sep 2022 at 17:24

man i was just looking at the situation, nvidia must be a great place to work.. there are very few companies who can **** on their clients and the clients have no option but still do business with them, it definitely looks like a company with deep capabilities, its one of those rare situations where the supplier lords over buyers
this might very well be the turning point where nvidia starts deemphasizing the consumer market for enterprise opportunities

HACO · 21 Sep 2022 at 17:25

deuse said:
If the 4090cards all have the same plugs.
Wonder how the aib will get more power for overclocking...
Or are they all the same?

I think there is another 4090 coming soon.

you plug them directly into mains.

Halliphax · 21 Sep 2022 at 17:26

PaulC2K said:
At least if theres no orders before release date

You really think OCUK and other sites will resist the temptation to incite another gold rush by opening pre-orders once they have the first stock in?

No chance, as soon as the first drops arrive in warehouses I think websites will open up preorders.

Gibbo · 21 Sep 2022 at 17:27

Halliphax said:
You really think OCUK and other sites will resist the temptation to incite another gold rush by opening pre-orders once they have the first stock in?

No chance, as soon as the first drops arrive in warehouses I think websites will open up preorders.

Nope pre-orders open up when NVIDIA say they do, which for the 4090 is 2pm on October 12th in the UK.
4080 will be November, when to be announced at a future date.

gpuerrilla · 21 Sep 2022 at 17:27

Murphy said:
No, i image not considering "super resolution" is almost certainly not a 'new' feature.

Where is here? A blank quote that doesn't link back to the actual post you took it from doesn't help much, i guess you mean my response to you initially claiming DLSS 3 was made of of three 'new' features.

Because even if I've got it wrong by saying they've been a feature of DLSS 2 since day 1, Reflex has AFAIK been a part of DLSS 2 since it was introduced with the 30 series, and assuming Nvidia are referring to the Super Sampling part of DLSS when they say Super Resolution that's been a part of DLSS and by extension DLSS 2 since DLSS was invented, even if I've got that wrong it still doesn't change the fact that DLSS 3 is not made up of three 'new' features.

tommybhoy said:
You realise the forum would crash if everyone done that with your posts?

Ahh old ~~debaser~~ ~~derailer~~ debunker providing the limited and selective factoids, glad you boys are experiencing this belatedly after I had to waste time on this before the ignore feature was toggled! Keep up the real debunking lads!! :cry:

Halliphax · 21 Sep 2022 at 17:28

Gibbo said:
Nope pre-orders open up when NVIDIA say they do, which for the 4090 is 2pm on October 12th in the UK.
4080 will be November, when to be announced at a future date.

Didn’t realise it was an absolute/set in stone

Gives me a bit more confidence then thanks for the clarification

Greebo · 21 Sep 2022 at 17:29

Jay-G25 said:
I would consider it for sure if they are that price , i got my 3090 Strix from OC on release day for £1700 so a £200 uplift is sort of acceptable considering the FE has increased by £280

The strix 3090 was never £1700 list price though, I got mine (elsewhere) for £1,595 at launch. So £300 uplift sounds about right.

Nexus18 · 21 Sep 2022 at 17:30

Murphy said:
No, i image not considering "super resolution" is almost certainly not a 'new' feature.

Where is here? A blank quote that doesn't link back to the actual post you took it from doesn't help much, i guess you mean my response to you initially claiming DLSS 3 was made of of three 'new' features.

Because even if I've got it wrong by saying they've been a feature of DLSS 2 since day 1, Reflex has AFAIK been a part of DLSS 2 since it was introduced with the 30 series, and assuming Nvidia are referring to the Super Sampling part of DLSS when they say Super Resolution that's been a part of DLSS and by extension DLSS 2 since DLSS was invented, even if I've got that wrong it still doesn't change the fact that DLSS 3 is not made up of three 'new' features.

Here you go:

Murphy said:
Not really, the only thing (afaik) that differentiates DLSS 3 from 2 is the addition of the frame generation feature. Remove that and you have DLSS 2 or to put it another way the only new feature added to DLSS 3 is the thing previous generation cards can't use, the frame generation feature, so if they can't use that new feature they're not using the only feature that makes DLSS 3, DLSS 3.

Not new, they've been a part of DLSS 2 since day 1.

i.e. again you are saying the "only" thing they have added to dlss to make it v3 is frame generation when clearly that is not the case, reflex has also been added to be apart of dlss as opposed to being a standalone feature.

And here is nvidias article again:

Introducing NVIDIA DLSS 3

Multiply frame rates by up to 4X!

www.nvidia.com

Whilst their "super resolution" feature is very cryptic (and is looking like a "rebrand" of DLSS 2/foundations as I mentioned earlier on), the reflex is not, it is clear that it has never been apart of dlss until v3:

Building upon DLSS Super Resolution, DLSS 3 adds Optical Multi Frame Generation to generate entirely new frames, and integrates NVIDIA Reflex low latency technology for optimal responsiveness. DLSS 3 is powered by the new fourth-generation Tensor Cores and Optical Flow Accelerator of the NVIDIA Ada Lovelace architecture, which powers GeForce RTX 40 Series graphics cards.

So I suppose if you really wanted, you could say there are 2 "new" features added to dlss to form dlss 3:

- reflex, which all rtx owners benefit from
- frame generation, which only 40xx benefit from

And DLSS 3 is made up of 3 features in total now:

- reflex (applies to all rtx owners)
- frame generation (applies only to 40xx owners)
- super resolution aka DLSS 2 (applies to all rtx owners)

cHk4 · 21 Sep 2022 at 17:30

With thing like the Strix - do they eventually do water cooling blocks for them or is what they come with sufficient?

V F · 21 Sep 2022 at 17:31

brostradamus said:
man i was just looking at the situation, nvidia must be a great place to work.. there are very few companies who can **** on their clients and the clients have no option but still do business with them, it definitely looks like a company with deep capabilities, its one of those rare situations where the supplier lords over buyers
this might very well be the turning point where nvidia starts deemphasizing the consumer market for enterprise opportunities

I was curious to see. Yes, I see what you've done but was still curious.

"I pass by the campus every time I go to school and never knew what was in it. Never knew that paradise was this close. I wonder what you'll be putting in the new building."

"I've always wanted to work at Nvidia just for the shield line (major fan) Now I want to work at Nvidia even if it means cleaning the bathrooms."

opethdisciple · 21 Sep 2022 at 17:32

Joxeon said:
Not only do they have the opportunity to gain marketshare and mindshare with fed up gamers they could also damage nvidia financially by preventing them from offloading all the surplus ampere dies and forcing them into a write off.

Only a competitive market will keep prices honest.

scubes · 21 Sep 2022 at 17:32

If they keep the price at 1679 I'm in but would like to see Benchmarrs before buying.

Iron Man · 21 Sep 2022 at 17:37

Gibbo said:
As a rough guideline:

4090 basic SKU = £1679 - £1749
4090 OC SKU = £1749 - £1859
4090 OC MAX SKU / H20 = £1899 - £1999

Is roughly to expect them where to sit, a Strix card for sure is the last category on that list.

Thanks for the heads up. You mentioned H20 cards so will you be selling the MSI 3090 Suprim Liquid on release? I have been eyeing up that card