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NVIDIA 4000 Series

Dave2150 said:
Seems to me that there are far too many entitled people around these days, who feel Nvidia owe them a £650 4080 16GB.

Price is determined by the market. Nvidia have millions invested in market research - they know the 4000 series will sell out at these prices, they know the vast majority won't even consider an AMD GPU due to Nvidia's mindshare and the strong public sentiment that Radeon = cheap, nasty, BSOD fest, subpar drivers (regardless of it being true or not).

Nvidia have over 80% discrete GPU market share. Make no mistake here, people will whine and threaten to buy AMD, though secretly they'll be coveting a 4080/4090, even at prices they complain about. Many will load up credit cards, at high interest rates, just to satisfy their itch.

It's also up to Nvidia to name whatever spec card they want. Historical specifications may point the 4080 to being a '4070' - though clearly Nvidia know that the competition from AMD won't be a factor, so are free to nerf specifications as much as they like.
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Sadly we only have OURSELVES to blame. I saw plenty of people on this forum scrambling for overpriced 3080 series GPUs. They dictated these prices and opened the door for the NVDA to take advantage.

Now the prices have gone beyond their pocket money allowance, they throw their toys out of the pram.

I was also guilty of sadly buying an overpriced 2080 card at launch when NVDA pulled this over pricing student during the 20 series (I had no GPU at the time).

At the end of the day, the market dictates the price - not NVIDA. NVIDIA can set an initial price but if prices don't match up with what people want to pay, they fall dramatically. The issue is people will cry - and then buy.

I saw people going out scrambling for 30 series cards like they were Rolexs. It was crazy. Now sadly those very fast deprectating Rolex gaming toys are £300-£500 beyond budget and people are upset.
 
Richdog said:
Well actually, it does matter how wealthy you are as to whether you can afford nice things without breaking a sweat. There are tons of people (even on this forum) who spend silly money on expensive and fuel-guzzling cars, or who regularly go out on weekends and blow wads on alcohol in pubs and clubs, and that is FAR more fiscally 'stupid' than buying an expensive GPU's that you get good and worthwhile use from every day you game on it over its generational lifecycle (or beyond).

£2000 over 2 years, with an approximate 50% resale value at the end of those two years making the overall cost around £1000, is not a terrible investment if you love gaming and want the best experience you can get.

But yeah, it's still expensive for a GPU and Nvidia suck for raising things to this pricepoint. I will wait to see what AMD bring to the table before making any decisions.
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At the end of the day, its your money and you can be smart OR stupid with your money.

The harsh reality is that buying a GPU, whether its 3060ti or a 4090 is a luxury and stupid decision unless you're using it in a professional capacity to generate income. It's a glorified toy for most people's use cases. Its not even a 'smart' adults toy like a rolex where you'll maybe lost 20% from buying new and it'll then somewhat hold its value with inflation over time. The GPus we all buy are literally going to be waste in a landfill within a decade or so.

So whats the difference between buying an £800 toy and a £2000 toy? Nothing if you can afford both.

I'm in the line of being stupid with my money this generation. Life is too short. I didn't go for a 30 series GPU because I couldn't be bothered with all the faff and scalping, and having to queue for GPUs. at least now, it will be easier to buy a 40 series GPU at these prices :D
 
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aoaaron said:
At the end of the day, its your money and you can be smart OR stupid with your money.

The harsh reality is that buying a GPU, whether its 3060ti or a 4090 is a luxury and stupid decision unless you're using it in a professional capacity to generate income. It's a glorified toy for most people's use cases.

So whats the difference between buying an £800 toy and a £2000 toy? Nothing if you can afford both.

I'm in the line of being stupid with my money this generation. Life is too short. I didn't go for a 30 series GPU because I couldn't be bothered with all the faff and scalping, and having to queue for GPUs. at least now, it will be easier to buy a 40 series GPU at these prices :D
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I am smart with my money, that is why I can afford nice things without breaking a sweat. As for your 'harsh reality' that buying anything above a 3060Ti is a 'luxury and stupid decision', that is not true. It's a luxury purchase to some degree yes, but certainly not stupid if it has clear and definable value to you. Stupid would be buying something that has no utility, that brings you no benefit or return (doesn't have to be financial) on your investment.

By that kind of logic, anyone who spends anything costing over £300, that is not tied to their immediate needs or survival, is an idiot. Your view can be considered extreme and is certainly not rooted in common sense.
 
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aoaaron said:
east now, it will be easier to buy a 40 series GPU at these prices :D
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Still not sure about it being easier been following the retro market reports are COVID is flaring up in China and they are having to shut warehouses and manufacturing. On e particular popular handheld keeps getting in 100 or so in stock and sells out straight away. Whether this will have an impact on quantity who knows plus in Gibbo's post he keeps mentioning stock in 00's not 000's so whether there is enough stock for demand who knows. I still think scalpers are going to have another go at this gen too if they smell low stocks. I can't see this release going back to pre COVID expectations too many factors again like the dollar to pound being poor etc etc. Nvidias ordering at the chip plants would suggest not and that quantities will be fine. Time will tell.
 
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I certainly won`t be buying a 40 series card, the 4090FE isn`t too big a jump i price from the 3090FE but not what I`m willing to pay for, I`ll wait and see what AMD brings to the party later this year.
 
varkanoid said:
Still not sure about it being easier been following the retro market reports are COVID is flaring up in China and they are having to shut warehouses and manufacturing. On e particular popular handheld keeps getting in 100 or so in stock and sells out straight away. Whether this will have an impact on quantity who knows plus in Gibbo's post he keeps mentioning stock in 00's not 000's so whether there is enough stock for demand who knows. I still think scalpers are going to have another go at this gen too if they smell low stocks. I can't see this release going back to pre COVID expectations too many factors again like the dollar to pound being poor etc etc. Nvidias ordering at the chip plants would suggest not and that quantities will be fine. Time will tell.
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Its going to be easier than buying a 30 series card because less people can simply put afford them at these prices, given people who would normally knee-jerk into an overpriced purchase are probably already sore and stung from their 30 series GPU sitting in their current rig.

We are in a unique position where people who would have panic-bought, have panic-bought, we're in somewhat of an impending recession, there is no more mining excuse for buying an overpriced card and then being able to make money off of it, we have a flood of 30 series GPUs coming on the second hand market AND we have retailers sitting on 3XXX stock they want to try and shift in the next year.

If the 40 series is sold out due to anything but a false demand created by low stock I'll be utterly shocked.

If this is a paper launch, then sure - of course it'll be sold out but apart from a low stock issue, I don't imagine these being harder to get than the 3XXX. People simply put can't afford a true 4080. Even the 4090 is looking like an exclusive to people who are willing to buy a new power supply (essentially meaning rebuilding half a rig).
 
Richdog said:
I am smart with my money, that is why I can afford nice things without breaking a sweat. As for your 'harsh reality' that buying anything above a 3060Ti is a 'luxury and stupid decision', that is not true. It's a luxury purchase to some degree yes, but certainly not stupid if it has clear and definable value to you. Stupid would be buying something that has no utility, that brings you no benefit or return (doesn't have to be financial) on your investment.

By that kind of logic, anyone who spends anything costing over £300, that is not tied to their immediate needs or survival, is an idiot. Your view can be considered extreme and is certainly not rooted in common sense.
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look, some do have the resources to pay that much, hell, so do I, I just don't want to do it. Will there be enough people buying these cards at these inflated prices though? NVidia need to sell, a lot of cards and if they don't what will happen then? The high energy prices don't work well with these power hungry cards either.

unlike what happened with the previous generation, we are now into a serious recession the likes we haven't seen, certainly not in the west. So, i am curious, let's see how this goes :)
 
Richdog said:
I am smart with my money, that is why I can afford nice things without breaking a sweat. As for your 'harsh reality' that buying anything above a 3060Ti is a 'luxury and stupid decision', that is not true. It's a luxury purchase to some degree yes, but certainly not stupid if it has clear and definable value to you. Stupid would be buying something that has no utility, that brings you no benefit or return (doesn't have to be financial) on your investment.

By that kind of logic, anyone who spends anything costing over £300, that is not tied to their immediate needs or survival, is an idiot. Your view can be considered extreme and is certainly not rooted in common sense.
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I think you've misunderstood my post. I've openly admitted I'm one of the 'stupid' people too who buy over priced GPUs. There are plenty of luxury items in this world which hold value far more - camera lenses, watches, jewelrey. Graphics cards are really not one of them.

I think a GPU purchase is simply never smart - it's just a luxury purchase and a glorified childrens toy for adults with more money to play their videogames on (unless its for professional usage). It all comes down to individualised budgets. For some people, £2000 is a LOT of money. For other people, its not. Similarly £300 for someone could be a lot of money, and for someone else its not.

Therefore if someone wants to blow £800 or £1800.. leave them to it.

I'm gearing up to potentially buy a 4090 put it in an entirely new rig with it as I need 2-3 computers anyway. Hopefully it'll last 2-4 years re: high-end performance. I want to do triple 4K/60 OLED setup. I also hope a 4090 might be able to help me with VR in the future if a decent headset comes out (just sold my Index).
 
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