NVIDIA 4000 Series

[Troezar]

Ultimately it's not efficient. If every generation we get, random figure, 50% more performance at each tier XX60, XX70 etc but the power requirements go up 50W eventually you'll get a 400W 8060 (not exact figures so don't try any calculations!). What would that make an 8090Ti? Nvidia will have to find more performance without raising the power consumption to keep progressing.

 

[Nexus18]

I sort of agree, but efficiency with regards to wattage, or (as is pretty top of mind for many right now) cost? Which is more important?

Kind of depends entirely on the fps and consumption e.g. if a 3080 achieves say 60 fps whilst pulling 350w but a 4080 can push 100+fps whilst pulling 400-450w, I'm fine with that and I imagine most "enthusiasts" especially those with high refresh rate displays would also be ok with the extra cost.

Generally it's the '070 class which matches the previous gen '080 Ti class cards, I'd be surprised if the 4060 managed to be level with a 3090.

Rasterization wise it defo won't match a 3090 but I'm fully expecting it to surpass the 3090 for any kind of RT.

 

[Bill Turnip]

imagine most "enthusiasts" especially those with high refresh rate displays would also be ok with the extra cost.

Agreed, and to a point I would include myself in that description, but there has to be a point where they need to haul the power usage in. I'd be delighted if it was possible to come up with some thing like a tensor core but dedicated to upscaling, that might be a huge help to efficiency.

 

[gpuerrilla]

I sort of agree, but efficiency with regards to wattage, or (as is pretty top of mind for many right now) cost? Which is more important?

Generally you get more performance for the same watts or on a good gen less watts. The lower tiers shouldn't need to command a new psu but lets wait and see why nvidia have been rather active on them connections lately!!

 

[Bill Turnip]

Generally you get more performance for the same watts or on a good gen less watts. The lower tiers shouldn't need to command a new psu but lets wait and see why nvidia have been rather active on them connection lately!!

I've already ordered extra hamsters for the wheel. Considering getting them a little leg press machine to improve those boosts.

 

[gpuerrilla]

I've already ordered extra hamsters for the wheel. Considering getting them a little leg press machine to improve those boosts.

When you say 'them' I take it you added another hamster (as in n+1 due to overcompensating)?

 

[Bill Turnip]

When you say 'them' I take it you added another hamster?

It's 2021. Who is still using one hamster?

 

[gpuerrilla]

It's 2021. Who is still using one hamster?

Is this like 8Gb and vram? I get ya!!

 

[Bill Turnip]

It's actually 2022, isn't it? Oops.

 

[TNA]

RTX 4070 £529.99 matching 3090 Ti and I'll bite do we think the 4000 series cards will finally drive 4k 144hz at a reasonable price/Tier? - I.e not needing the absolute best (maybe a 4070/80 can drive this?..)

What if it has double the RT of 3090, 10% extra rasta, but only 10gb vram?

 

[Joxeon]

What if it has double the RT of 3090, 10% extra rasta, but only 10gb vram?

If that's the case there will be plenty of £400 used 3090/3090ti's going for people who must have more than 10gb VRAM

 

[HRL]

Considering you're going to be getting 3080/3090 or better performance (especially for RT), that's good, more efficient i.e. 3080 at stock uses 350w and a 3090 is what 450w? So if a 4060 comes in offering the same or better performance with less power consumption, surely that's a good thing? Especially since people who are watching the pennies will most likely be going for that class of gpu or lesser.

Of course, it would be ideal for us to be using less power each time when comparing the same tiers but compare the performance increases you're getting when comparing something like a 1080 to a 3080.... That's where people miss the point entirely with RDNA 2 power "efficiency", yes it's great for rasterization but for ray tracing, it's beyond awful.



It's all about "efficiency", not so much "consumption" for me.

I'm expecting 40xx to be good undervolters too and if so, you can probably reduce power consumption by 100w with no hit to performance.

Don’t know about the 3080 but the 3090FE at stock power tops out at 350W, not 450W, even with a reasonable OC.

 

[JediFragger]

Don’t know about the 3080 but the 3090FE at stock power tops out at 350W, not 450W, even with a reasonable OC.

Someone I know is running his at 540W with the Kingpenis bios

 

[Nexus18]

Don’t know about the 3080 but the 3090FE at stock power tops out at 350W, not 450W, even with a reasonable OC.

Ah yeah just checked, "stock" 3080 tops out at 318w and a "stock" 3090 at 346w or there abouts anyway.

Still an impressive showing in efficiency improvement if a "stock" 4060 matches/beats a "stock" 3080 whilst pulling 100w less imo.

 

[Calin Banc]

The 4060 will probably have the best price/perf. but to hell with 8 GB of vram in 2023.

That's fine for 1080p or so.

 

[AssaTM]

Have there been any murmurings around a 4090Ti this gen or will it stop at the 4090?

 

[Troezar]

Have there been any murmurings around a 4090Ti this gen or will it stop at the 4090?

I'd say Nvidia will hold it in reserve, if AMD get close they'll roll it out.

 

[Alan McFall]

Have there been any murmurings around a 4090Ti this gen or will it stop at the 4090?

There's rumours of a 900w TITAN with 48gb GDDR6x. Or atleast rumours that they have tested that spec.

 

[Tommy_Here]

What if it has double the RT of 3090, 10% extra rasta, but only 10gb vram?

Hmm I think I'd still bite..

 

[turbot1984]

Don’t know about the 3080 but the 3090FE at stock power tops out at 350W, not 450W, even with a reasonable OC.

Power draw not that big an issue anyway ... my 3080 stays under 200W most of the time undervolted.