NVIDIA 4000 Series

[CapitalOne]

Just for clarity - this is a snip of the email

 

[Jono8]

You do realise since the release of the 4090 the 30 series FE cards have now all sold out ? Looking at other retailers with 30 series many are gone now or at last few. There won't be any more price drops of all things they are going up the remaining 30 series..

You do realise the market for these is not endless?

Without profit from mining, those that want to splurg £500+ on a GPU are a finite resource that can only be milked for so long.

 

[RavenXXX2]

@CapitalOne

Major OCUK competitor in that image.

 

[jrodga2k5]

The funny thing about this who GFE experience invite is that people are still using it to scalp Just because they have a FE card in their rig doesn't mean they aren't also willing to scalp or have done in the past. While I understand the merits of it you may even get some people who were 'out' this round, get the invite, buy the card and sell thinking, easy money.

I have to admit I was a bit surprised with the surge of demand, it will be interesting to see if similar occurs during the 4080 launch considering the value proposition is actually much less compared to the 4090 when you consider the performance uplift.

 

[CapitalOne]

@CapitalOne

Major OCUK competitor in that image.

Yeah will edit now (@mods)

 

[Purgatory]

In that clip, once the plane gets into the air, the GPU usage is in the mid to high eighties, I think you're looking at the temp, unless you're referring to the dips.

Still somewhat CPU bound though, and I'm not a fan (of what I've seen so far) either of DLSS3 FG.

Early days though, and hopefully sorted, and/or DLSS 4/5 is out by the time the 5 series is out, because I'm skipping the 4 series as well.

You're right that's temp grrr, but still not maxing out the gpu it's in the 80% on a very demanding area of the world map on outside view and in cockpit mode it will be 50% or worse as outside view when 99% gpu usage then turns into 50% cockpit view on many planes and parts of the world map.

I'm going to have a play with it this weekend at a work colleges to test it myself on his 4k screen and 7950x build, Some of these videos I have seen have been fake benchmarks too for msfs and seen a lot from the msfs community and sadly they are complaining not much better than a 3080 in some cases and those that have access to the DLSS3 update (beta) said it sucked sadly and was not feeling right and made the image quality worse and the cockpit mode made everything blurry or not as sharp as it should be for the instruments when you zoon into them to use them. Will see in weekend .

 

[InvkrMainr]

The funny thing about this who GFE experience invite is that people are still using it to scalp Just because they have a FE card in their rig doesn't mean they aren't also willing to scalp or have done in the past. While I understand the merits of it you may even get some people who were 'out' this round, get the invite, buy the card and sell thinking, easy money.

I have to admit I was a bit surprised with the surge of demand, it will be interesting to see if similar occurs during the 4080 launch considering the value proposition is actually much less compared to the 4090 when you consider the performance uplift.

Rich get richer moment.

Unlikely a working class gamer could afford to buy TWO 4090s, let alone 1, without using credit.

 

[Kelt]

You're right that's temp grrr, but still not maxing out the gpu it's in the 80% on a very demanding area of the world map on outside view and in cockpit mode it will be 50% or worse as outside view when 99% gpu usage then turns into 50% cockpit view on many planes and parts of the world map.

I'm going to have a play with it this weekend at a work colleges to test it myself on his 4k screen and 7950x build, Some of these videos I have seen have been fake benchmarks too for msfs and seen a lot from the msfs community and sadly they are complaining not much better than a 3080 in some cases and those that have access to the DLSS3 update (beta) said it sucked sadly and was not feeling right and made the image quality worse and the cockpit mode made everything blurry or not as sharp as it should be for the instruments when you zoon into them to use them. Will see in weekend .

Cool, will be interesting to see what you find.

 

[Jono8]

The funny thing about this who GFE experience invite is that people are still using it to scalp Just because they have a FE card in their rig doesn't mean they aren't also willing to scalp or have done in the past. While I understand the merits of it you may even get some people who were 'out' this round, get the invite, buy the card and sell thinking, easy money.

I have to admit I was a bit surprised with the surge of demand, it will be interesting to see if similar occurs during the 4080 launch considering the value proposition is actually much less compared to the 4090 when you consider the performance uplift.

The demand is due to the low stock + the people trying to scalp after having such success of it with the 3XXX series.

 

[nhornby51743]

I'm thinking I'll send it back if I do upgrade I may as well go for a full jump to say 1200w+. Also get one with the new PCI power connector when they finally become available.

I bought the Thermaltake GF3 1200W with the new ATX 3.0 standard. The new ones are available, so devo worth getting, as it's a long term investment.

 

[Tinek]

It is. Once the 4070/4080's are out and stock builds up, no one is going to be getting £750 for a 3080.

I'm expecting reasonably big cuts on the 3XXX series once Nvidia realises no one is buying the 4XXX series and has to drop prices across the board. With no mining profit, demand isnt going to be anywhere close to the demand of the 3xxx series.

Again, this isn't their plan. Their plan has been outlined already, by their own CEO - GPUs from now on will be more expensive. They're happy to sell less of the halo products and more of lower shelves ones, but they will do all they can to not let any pricing drop at all (neither 3k nor 4k series). Which shows in stores - all prices of 3k series went up again, temporal drop was only a short-term promotion by NVIDIA and it ended. None of the new 3k are planned at all to drop below MSRP and neither they plan any drops for 4k series, at all. When 3k are gone, people won't have a choice but to shell monies for 4k series (not 4090 but any 4k that comes to market). And that's NVIDIA's plan - sell less but for much higher margins (from mining times) if needed. They can wait, they're patient. People shown them over and over again they will buy their GPUs no matter what. NVIDIA want to be just like Apple is with phones and only raise prices over time. They do not even mention competition either, as if it did not exist.

 

[Kelt]

@CapitalOne

Major OCUK competitor in that image.

It's OK, the competitor is mentioned four posts above his!

 

[Tinek]

Potentially when AMD launch perhaps.

Seeing as they appear to have sold out of 40 series so far globally, it’s not going to happen for a while yet, if at all.

Latest rumors about AMD suggest it will be just as fast in raster as 4090 is but RT still lagging behind. Pricing unknown. We'll know for sure next month, I suppose.

 

[Tinek]

You do realise the market for these is not endless?

Without profit from mining, those that want to splurg £500+ on a GPU are a finite resource that can only be milked for so long.

I really do hope NVIDIA will be taught a lesson just like this. However, looking at Apple sales each time they release new phone for higher and higher prices... I am not convinced this limited number of buyers is low enough for NVIDIA to care one bit.

 

[dafadau]

Bummer.

Have you tried it with the fans at 100%?

Can control them with Afterburner.

Just given it a go. At 100%, there's some coil whine, but the rattling settles down. It's bad at 84% though. Hmmmm.

If I squeeze the card slightly the rattling will stop, so looks like I'll have to inspect.

 

[Kelt]

Just given it a go. At 100%, there's some coil whine, but the rattling settles down. It's bad at 84% though. Hmmmm.

If I squeeze the card slightly the rattling will stop, so looks like I'll have to inspect.

Yeh, sounds like RMA time, unfortunately.

Unless it settles down, of course, but in my experience, this is something fans don't normally do.

 

[Tinek]

Yeh, sounds like RMA time, unfortunately.

Unless it settles down, of course, but in my experience, this is something fans don't normally do.

It might not be the fan itself, but just some lose piece of plastic or cable. I had rattling on my FUMA 2 CPU cooler out of a sudden, couldn't see anything. It turned out that one of the cables leading to the fan got a bit lose and it was gently but steadily being hit by the rotating blades. Just pulling on it slightly solved the problem instantly, as it hid back into the plastic cutout again.

 

[Kelt]

It might not be the fan itself, but just some lose piece of plastic or cable. I had rattling on my FUMA 2 CPU cooler out of a sudden, couldn't see anything. It turned out that one of the cables leading to the fan got a bit lose and it was gently but steadily being hit by the rotating blades. Just pulling on it slightly solved the problem instantly, as it hid back into the plastic cutout again.

Yes, that's a possibility also.

 

[benbird7]

My Inno3D seems to have a buggered bearing on one of the fans, rattling like crazy if the fans go above 80%. Can't see anything loose.

Got an inno 3d ichill no issues here, make sure you take the plastic protection off the centre of the middle fan. Also check cables not touching any of the fans.

Hope you get it sorted.

 

[Jono8]

Again, this isn't their plan. Their plan has been outlined already, by their own CEO - GPUs from now on will be more expensive. They're happy to sell less of the halo products and more of lower shelves ones, but they will do all they can to not let any pricing drop at all (neither 3k nor 4k series). Which shows in stores - all prices of 3k series went up again, temporal drop was only a short-term promotion by NVIDIA and it ended. None of the new 3k are planned at all to drop below MSRP and neither they plan any drops for 4k series, at all. When 3k are gone, people won't have a choice but to shell monies for 4k series (not 4090 but any 4k that comes to market). And that's NVIDIA's plan - sell less but for much higher margins (from mining times) if needed. They can wait, they're patient. People shown them over and over again they will buy their GPUs no matter what. NVIDIA want to be just like Apple is with phones and only raise prices over time. They do not even mention competition either, as if it did not exist.

They only go nuts/frenzied due to crypto booms as they are literally money printers during those times! OFCOURSE something that literally prints money and makes its cost back in a few months sells out instantly. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong/wants to push the narrative that this isnt the case for their own gain.