NVIDIA 4000 Series

[NZXT30]

350w is the absolute maximum I would tolerate. Contrary to most people I have owned a 500w GPU in the past (AMD 295x2) and I can tell the experience was not pleasant with all sorts of unforeseen issues arising.

 

[harmattan]

350w is the absolute maximum I would tolerate. Contrary to most people I have owned a 500w GPU in the past (AMD 295x2) and I can tell the experience was not pleasant with all sorts of unforeseen issues arising.

Had a 295x2 in an ITX box. I was able to cool it well enough with a push/pull setup, but that rig was a space heater. I've had a few setups that cooled high-wattage components very well e.g. triple 480 gtxs with dual 360mm rads, but they're not fun when ambient is already hot.

You can cool your components with fifteen fans to disperse heat, you can sequester and distribute heat with water, but you can't escape thermodynamics. 500w is 500w and it's going to go somewhere.

 

[Troezar]

Had a 295x2 in an ITX box. I was able to cool it well enough with a push/pull setup, but that rig was a space heater. I've had a few setups that cooled high-wattage components very well e.g. triple 480 gtxs with dual 360mm rads, but they're not fun when ambient is already hot.

You can cool your components with fifteen fans to disperse heat, you can sequester and distribute heat with water, but you can't escape thermodynamics. 500w is 500w and it's going to go somewhere.

The irony is the better you cool it the more heat it pumps into your room.

 

[subbytna]

Same with my 7990 back in the day, keeping that thing undercontrol due to the heat and Wattage, not pleasant

 

[Troezar]

Yes I 2 x 7970GHz Edition so 600W in total, regularly hit 30°C in the room. Thought I had heatstroke a few times

 

[gpuerrilla]

AMD were always the butt of the jokes back then, wonder if it will happen if Ada has a few hot potatoes?

 

[Troezar]

AMD were always the butt of the jokes back then, wonder if it will happen if Ada has a few hot potatoes?

I think most here remember the 480 egg cooking memes

 

[NZXT30]

I think most here remember the 480 egg cooking memes

It never gets old

 

[arknor]

I have no real issue with a GPU having a high demand for power, and will be sure to oversize the PSU on my next build, what i do want its a real and working low power mode for when my pc is sat on desktop doing nothing or low load desktop tasks.

it already exists what are you on about? if you set your drivers to prefer maximum performance and wonder why the cars isn't underclocking that's your own fault.
meanwhile I'm gaming at 40watts thanks to "prefer maximum power saving" in the drivers and afterburner set to 54% max power usage

my gpu is only clocking as high as it needs to in order to maintain fps, get some odd spikes to 100watts when a lot is happening on screen but most the time I'm setting around 40

not a demanding game though but still works in anything you want, if your trying to main 200fps though or something crazy obviously your GPU ain't ever stepping away from 100% usage and won't downclock

 

[Gerard]

Same with my 7990 back in the day, keeping that thing undercontrol due to the heat and Wattage, not pleasant

The same card amd claimed ran cool and quiet no less.

What i think happened with that card was there simply wasn't enough binned chips that would run lower voltages, so they just started using any chips they had on the card. I remember the whole spiel about the card only using binned chips enabling it to run cool and quiet. When the reality for 99% of us was a card that had to be endlessely messed with to get the temps under 100c and the fans to stop sounding like a vacuum. Probably one of the worst cards ive ever owned simply due to the fact it didn't even remotely resemble what amd were pushing in that video in terms of temps and acoustics at least.

I did note that some reviewers however managed to get vbersions of the card that did run quietly, the general public for the most part didn't.

 

[subbytna]

The same card amd claimed ran cool and quiet no less.

What i think happened with that card was there simply wasn't enough binned chips that would run lower voltages, so they just started using any chips they had on the card. I remember the whole spiel about the card only using binned chips enabling it to run cool and quiet. When the reality for 99% of us was a card that had to be endlessely messed with to get the temps under 100c and the fans to stop sounding like a vacuum. Probably one of the worst cards ive ever owned simply due to the fact it didn't even remotely resemble what amd were pushing in that video in terms of temps and acoustics at least.

I did note that some reviewers however managed to get vbersions of the card that did run quietly, the general public for the most part didn't.

I ended up putting two fans on the side of the case ghetto style, to hit it with 90% fan speed, side on. The triple fans it had on the card themselves, weren't great. Managed to keep the card around 80-85 degrees while gaming

 

[Grim5]

Just in time for rtx4000, MSI announces its 1300w ATX3.0 PSU

MSI says the PSU can supply 600w via single PCIE5 cable and it can handle transient power spikes up to 3.0x, that's 1800w power spikes to the GPU

https://mobile.twitter.com/g01d3nm4ng0/status/1540279592115933184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1540279592115933184%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwccftech.com%2Fmsi-next-gen-meg-power-supplies-are-atx-3-0-standard-ready-designed-to-sustain-3x-power-excursions-next-gen-gpus%2F

 

[arknor]

I've got a feeling PSU are going to end up doubling in price with atx3.0

 

[Woodsta888]

The same card amd claimed ran cool and quiet no less.

What i think happened with that card was there simply wasn't enough binned chips that would run lower voltages, so they just started using any chips they had on the card. I remember the whole spiel about the card only using binned chips enabling it to run cool and quiet. When the reality for 99% of us was a card that had to be endlessely messed with to get the temps under 100c and the fans to stop sounding like a vacuum. Probably one of the worst cards ive ever owned simply due to the fact it didn't even remotely resemble what amd were pushing in that video in terms of temps and acoustics at least.

I did note that some reviewers however managed to get vbersions of the card that did run quietly, the general public for the most part didn't.

I ended up putting two fans on the side of the case ghetto style, to hit it with 90% fan speed, side on. The triple fans it had on the card themselves, weren't great. Managed to keep the card around 80-85 degrees while gaming

I did exactly the same with my 7990, modding my case with two fans directly blowing into the top of the card. Binning the chips, there were different revisions of the 7990. I think the Ghz edition was the one that was binned. I bought the cheaper version and they sent me Ghz edition by mistake or didn't have any cheaper ones left so upgraded FoC. USed it heavily for a good while, never missed a beat and sold it on.

Lots of people are gonna have issues with these new cards and the heat they'll chuck out from the power draw, gonna need some big cases with lots of fans, ideally liquid cooling for these. Hope NZXT make some brackets to fit their AIO's, I think they missed the last gen.

 

[nutsnut]

Also a previous 7970 Xfire user hear, love them but boy did they get warm. Especially in the early days of Crypto

Don't want to go back to them days, so hopefully the rumoured power demands aren't accurate.

 

[Gerard]

I did exactly the same with my 7990, modding my case with two fans directly blowing into the top of the card. Binning the chips, there were different revisions of the 7990. I think the Ghz edition was the one that was binned. I bought the cheaper version and they sent me Ghz edition by mistake or didn't have any cheaper ones left so upgraded FoC. USed it heavily for a good while, never missed a beat and sold it on.

Lots of people are gonna have issues with these new cards and the heat they'll chuck out from the power draw, gonna need some big cases with lots of fans, ideally liquid cooling for these. Hope NZXT make some brackets to fit their AIO's, I think they missed the last gen.

I dont ever recall amd releasing a ghz edition of the 7990, maybe some oems did but the stock card from what i remember didnt have different editions. I know the 7970 had a ghz edition which most 7970s could achieve with a bios flash, it was only what, 50 or 75mhz higher?

 

[kalniel]

I know specs aren't out yet, but aside from power, is anyone else concerned (or at least intrigued) by the rumoured cut in memory bandwidth? The 3080 had an excess, so not a massive blow to see a 4080 has a slight reduction, but the 4070 looks odd - 10GB over a 160bit bus (precisely half the 3080, so presumably just double capacity RAM chips and half as many of them), but feeding what I'd expect to be close to 3080 levels of compute.

Maybe they've really knocked out some fast RAM chips, or maybe the rumours are just crap (mem bus is often just guessed based on PCB layout and might be missing chips on the other side/layers). Or maybe they've taken a leaf from AMD's book and include some kind of cache to mitigate?

 

[Jay85]

I think most here remember the 480 egg cooking memes

Ah good old Fedmi.

 

[Woodsta888]

I dont ever recall amd releasing a ghz edition of the 7990, maybe some oems did but the stock card from what i remember didnt have different editions. I know the 7970 had a ghz edition which most 7970s could achieve with a bios flash, it was only what, 50 or 75mhz higher?

You're probably right. I had the 7970 before that, so maybe it was that card I'm thinking about. ;twas a while back, I knows.

 

[Purgatory]

Seems like AMD are heading down the higher power use too for 7000 series GPUs ..

Into the GPU Chiplet Era: An Interview With AMD's Sam Naffziger

A look into the future RDNA 3 architecture

www.tomshardware.com

AMD confirms Radeon 7000 (RDNA3) will have increased power consumption - VideoCardz.com

AMD Radeon 7000 series with increased power Tom’s Hardware published an article after interviewing Sam Naffziger from AMD (Senior VP). This person has been with AMD for many years and has been responsible for many designs. He was also part of the AMD team behind chiplet architecture, which is...

videocardz.com

“The demand for gaming and compute performance is, if anything, just accelerating, and at the same time, the underlying process technology is slowing down pretty dramatically — and the improvement rate. So the power levels are just going to keep going up. Now, we’ve got a multi-year roadmap of very significant efficiency improvements to offset that curve, but the trend is there.” […]
“Performance is king, but even if our designs are more power-efficient, that doesn’t mean you don’t push power levels up if the competition is doing the same thing. It’s just that they’ll have to push them a lot higher than we will.”
— Sam Naffziger, AMD’s Senior Vice President, Corporate Fellow, and Product Technology Architect