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It will be interesting to see a site do a full benchmark suite across many games with RTX4090 and a weaker CPU... I imagine consistency and performance increases would vary a hell of a lot depending on the game engine.

@8pack and other reviewers pointed out that 4090 is a game changer at 4k, where you need 12/13th gen from Intel or 7000 series from AMD, or it simply won't run as well as it could.
 
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Does this build look ok to you guys?

2TB Samsung 980 PRO NVMe PCIe 4.0, 7000MB/s Read, 5000MB/s Write, 1000K IOPS
Fractal Design Define 7 XL
ASUS ROG STRIX Z790-F GAMING WIFI
Intel Core i9 13900K, Raptor Lake, 24 Cores, 32 Threads, 3.0GHz Base, 5.8GHz Turbo
Noctua NH-D15 Chromax Black - Quiet Performance Air Cooler
32GB (2x16GB) Corsair Vengeance RGB DDR5 5200MHz CAS36 [Black]
24GB ASUS GeForce RTX 4090 TUF GAMING OC, 16384 Cores, 2565MHz Boost, GDDR6X - GeForce RTX VR Ready
Corsair RM1000x, Modular, Silent, 80PLUS GOLD

Samsung 990 Pro's release soon, with much better performance. Worth waiting for, perhaps use an existing drive until they release etc.
 
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What is wrong with people!!!! I'm going to be ******** on some people on these forums but I don't care. Why are people buying a 4090 and then skimping on the rest of their system? If you cannot afford to upgrade the rest of your system to match the 4090, then you cannot afford a 4090!
People trying their luck with potentially under powered PSUs and then patting themselves on the back because they saved £150. You just bought a £1600-£2000 GPU (at launch for that matter!!!) and now all of a sudden you want to save money!!!! If you were serious about saving money you wouldn't have bought the GPU in the first place.

It is the same as people buying high performance cars but then they can't afford tyres. So they put rubbish tyres on the car or worst, run them till they're bald and the thread is visible.

IMO it's best not to argue with this group of people. Gibbo, 8pack, and many reviews out there for 4090, mention over and over that 4090 needs to be paired with latest CPU's for it to make sense.

You'll get those running on 8th, 9th or 10th gen CPU's claiming performance is amazing, just leave them be, as we know for a fact they're not getting anywhere near a 4090's full performance (especially in terms of minimum FPS values that many don't track).
 
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I find it hard to believe that most CPUs would struggle that badly to produce 120fps at 2160p.

If you are talking about above 120fps they really don't matter anyway.
What is this talk of 120fps. My monitor does 4k 144hz, on a 4090 using displayport, yet people are talking about a 120hz cap on dp1.4.
 
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Does this build look ok to you guys?

2TB Samsung 980 PRO NVMe PCIe 4.0, 7000MB/s Read, 5000MB/s Write, 1000K IOPS
Fractal Design Define 7 XL
ASUS ROG STRIX Z790-F GAMING WIFI
Intel Core i9 13900K, Raptor Lake, 24 Cores, 32 Threads, 3.0GHz Base, 5.8GHz Turbo
Noctua NH-D15 Chromax Black - Quiet Performance Air Cooler
32GB (2x16GB) Corsair Vengeance RGB DDR5 5200MHz CAS36 [Black]
24GB ASUS GeForce RTX 4090 TUF GAMING OC, 16384 Cores, 2565MHz Boost, GDDR6X - GeForce RTX VR Ready
Corsair RM1000x, Modular, Silent, 80PLUS GOLD


As you need a PSU I'd try and get one that is ATX 3.0. Not many left in stock but may aswell get the new dedicated gfx card connector going fwd as these PSU's are built to handle higher transient spikes from gfx cards going fwd.

This is a handy page OCUK have for ATX 3.0. Otherwise the window on your case is gonna look like a snakes wedding with 4 connectors off older PSU's into the one of the gfx card.
 
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What is this talk of 120fps. My monitor does 4k 144hz, on a 4090 using displayport, yet people are talking about a 120hz cap on dp1.4.
I assume he means the majority of people will be playing on a 4K TV with 120hz rather than a monitor that can go up to 160hz ( LG27GN950 ) .
 
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IMO it's best not to argue with this group of people. Gibbo, 8pack, and many reviews out there for 4090, mention over and over that 4090 needs to be paired with latest CPU's for it to make sense.

You'll get those running on 8th, 9th or 10th gen CPU's claiming performance is amazing, just leave them be, as we know for a fact they're not getting anywhere near a 4090's full performance (especially in terms of minimum FPS values that many don't track).
at 1080p and 1440p yes they are not the best but if locking to 4k 120fps then you will struggle to notice a difference with most .. leave the framerate uncapped and yes then you will have issues.
 
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at 1080p and 1440p yes they are not the best but if locking to 4k 120fps then you will struggle to notice a difference with most .. leave the framerate uncapped and yes then you will have issues.

Would using DLSS be affected too? That upscales 1080p & 1440p to 4k so a faster CPU should benefit there too?
 
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Would using DLSS be affected too? That upscales 1080p & 1440p to 4k so a faster CPU should benefit there too?
Will all depend of the frame rate , if locked to 120hz / fps then will be no difference apart from the gpu having less work to do with dlss active .. the cpu still has to only deal with 120fps but if you uncapped the framerate then would make the issue worse .
 

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If he can't afford to pay wages his business isn't good enough.
It's obviously because he just wants more profit.

I won't continue this conversation but obviously that's the motive above all else in business, everyone does it so not judging as an individual but don't pretend it's for any other reason.
The reason he "can't afford to pay" more wages is that most UK/EU consumers wont pay the % extra that would be required if they paid UK wages.
If we would why wouldn't he bring back factory jobs to the UK. It'd save a lot of unfair criticism of him.
He gives generously to charity so I doubt it's all about money for him.

Yes profit is the motive in all businesses, the alternative (communism) doesnt seem to work so well.
This is an nvidia thread, how much do they make? Where are their factories?

Anyway, I'll be quiet on this subject, got far better things to do.
Like play with my new 4090 FE :)
 
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at 1080p and 1440p yes they are not the best but if locking to 4k 120fps then you will struggle to notice a difference with most .. leave the framerate uncapped and yes then you will have issues.

It's all about the minimum FPS mate, tracking average FPS is not enough. Ryzen 3000 series, Intel 11th gen and below will have horrible minimum FPS values in most modern games with a 4090.
 
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It's all about the minimum FPS mate, tracking average FPS is not enough. Ryzen 3000 series, Intel 11th gen and below will have horrible minimum FPS values in most modern games with a 4090.
Im on 10th Gen still and at 4K 120fps the 1% lows are perfect tbh , game play is stunning as cpu and gpu are both underutilised , At 1440p 240hz then yes it has issues and the 1% lows are much more prevalent and noticeable as cpu is struggling to keep up but 4K 120 Hz 1% lows really isn't an issue :) I'll be happy to capture some data on mine with riva benchmarking if needed :)
 
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Im on 10th Gen still and at 4K 120fps the 1% lows are perfect tbh , game play is stunning as cpu and gpu are both underutilised , At 1440p 240hz then yes it has issues and the 1% lows are much more prevalent and noticeable as cpu is struggling to keep up but 4K 120 Hz 1% lows really isn't an issue :) I'll be happy to capture some data on mine with riva benchmarking if needed :)

Enjoy :)
 
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The picture of the metal frames stacked in a box, looks like there is a decent quantity of them. More than what I would expect to see from a trial run.

Considering the 4090 is a 3.5 slot card(is this true?) and is 450W, I don't see how increasing the thickness by 0.5 slots doubles your cooling capacity. I wonder if these are actually 4090/4090ti coolers but then Nvidia realised they could get away with 3.5 slots. Or Nvidia curbed their power requirements so they would work with a 3.5 slot cooler.
 
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Might be time to switch over to an AIO again.
 
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20-10-2022, 14:03:35 ModernWarfare.exe benchmark completed, 64166 frames rendered in 535.375 s
Average framerate : 119.8 FPS
Minimum framerate : 111.7 FPS
Maximum framerate : 121.9 FPS
1% low framerate : 84.2 FPS

Quick game of Modern Warfare MP , 1% low are not terrible imo and no way worth spending out £1500 to increase another 20fps if that ? to me it felt smooth as silk :cry: 1440p uncapped is a whole different story for sure .
 
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