NVIDIA 4000 Series

[Deleted member 258511]

Expanding on what I said above @Bill Turnip , if one had picked up an ampere card in 2022 your not exactly in a hurry to move on already considering the uplift to cost again. It would only be worth it if your system spec was also current gen/high end last gen.

Or if saving money isn’t the biggest issue, just buy the best, then upgrade when something better comes out and stop worrying about it. The 4090 is a much better card than it’s predecessors just for the cooling alone, and it can be very efficient if that’s your worry.

 

[Joxeon]

Or if saving money isn’t the biggest issue, just buy the best, then upgrade when something better comes out and stop worrying about it. The 4090 is a much better card than it’s predecessors just for the cooling alone, and it can be very efficient if that’s your worry.

The 4090 is not the issue though this generation, its everything else.

 

[gpuerrilla]

I think the issue is only the enthusiast or minority with plenty of money to spare are the ones that can im afraid. Or let's rephrase that to be people will look at their situation and know when a 70 class card is commanding nearly a grand the middle tier has now been pushed up. I have been gaming on the PC for 25 years so my version of saving money will differ to another's.

 

[Noxia]

Has anyone returned a card due to loud coil whine? I am wondering where you stand as I assume it's expected to exhibit some and excessive could be a subjective matter.

I think "buying the best" is also a good shout, potentially that could save you money in future if you are still happy with what you got, I guess the chances are higher if you purchased something like a 4090 over a lower card to start.

 

[Twinz]

Or if saving money isn’t the biggest issue, just buy the best, then upgrade when something better comes out and stop worrying about it. The 4090 is a much better card than it’s predecessors just for the cooling alone, and it can be very efficient if that’s your worry.

I bought a 4090 because it accomplished a very niche task that nothing else on the market could and I didn't want to wait another generation or two for it to be cost-effective.

I don't kid myself that it's a good value. I'm not even swayed by "it's the best", because that's very temporary.

It allows me to do night racing in VR without down-sampling. My mother-in-law bought an expensive refrigerator because it can hold a larger turkey in the freezer before family meals on the holidays.

Now we both own oversized appliances that, on rare occasions, do something that a more reasonable purchase couldn't do.

 

[Joxeon]

I think the issue is only the enthusiast or minority with plenty of money to spare are the ones that can im afraid. Or let's rephrase that to be people will look at their situation and know when a 70 class card is commanding nearly a grand the middle tier has now been pushed up. I have been gaming on the PC for 25 years so my version of saving money will differ to another's.

Thats the thing, you can pay nearly 1k and get a 4070ti or for an extra 600 quid you get a card thats almost 70% faster which is an extra generation or two in longevity.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Nobody has an issue with all the Ada cards performances. Rather its the price they are commanding. You can argue the 4090 is good value but the ones below it are certainly not.

 

[Alt0153]

Nobody has an issue with all the Ada cards performances. Rather its the price they are commanding. You can argue the 4090 is good value but the ones below it are certainly not.

i cant even argue its good value only compared to the **** show below it but as a standalone thing its still massively overpriced i think

 

[Nexus18]

All in all, getting a 3080 for £650 2 years ago is looking like the best decision when looking at the state of all current gpus atm. Upgrading to a 5800x3d has allowed the 3080 to stretch its legs a little more too.

Gibbo has revealed price range for 4070ti, which tbf, £800/900 isn't "too bad" given it is matching 3090ti and probably beating it in RT workloads as well as access to FG.

Expect cards to sit in the £800 - £1000 bracket, basic cards at lower end, upper end cards at top end.

As Steve from HUB said with regards to the current gen from both amd and nvidia, "let the fanboys and early adopters snap them up at stupid prices and wait for the market to cool of then perhaps nab yourself a deal"

 

[Joxeon]

For someone buying a 4080 this time and wants to upgrade again next gen then you'll probably only get 4090 like performance for £1200 in two years time unless Nvidia switches back to the 102 die as the jump from TSMC5 > 3 won't be as large as the jump from samsung 8NM so it might end up costing £2400 for two 80 class cards that only get you the performance of a £1600 4090.

For someone wanting to pay £800 this time around for a 4070ti then £800 again in two years you almost certainly won't be getting 4090 performance at the end of it so why not just buy a 4090 and skip next gen?.

All roads lead to the 4090 unfortunately.

 

[Deleted member 258511]

I bought a 4090 because it accomplished a very niche task that nothing else on the market could and I didn't want to wait another generation or two for it to be cost-effective.

I don't kid myself that it's a good value. I'm not even swayed by "it's the best", because that's very temporary.

It allows me to do night racing in VR without down-sampling. My mother-in-law bought an expensive refrigerator because it can hold a larger turkey in the freezer before family meals on the holidays.

Now we both own oversized appliances that, on rare occasions, do something that a more reasonable purchase couldn't do.

Exactly. Does anyone need a car that has over 500bhp? Of course not, but if that’s your thing enjoy yourself.

If you want performance now and don’t want to wait, then it’s going to cost you. A 4090 is a luxury, it’s certainly not needed, but if you can…why not?

 

[Sgt_Major]

The 4070ti between 3090 and 3090ti performance for £800 surely isnt bad compared to those cards which people were happy to buy for £2000 12 months ago

That's a terrible comparison, because those people were idiots/fools, and they are easily parted with their cash....Someone overpaying for something 2 years ago, does not make something overpriced today a good deal.

 

[VinylRichTea]

All in all, getting a 3080 for £650 2 years ago is looking like the best decision when looking at the state of all current gpus atm. Upgrading to a 5800x3d has allowed the 3080 to stretch its legs a little more too.

Gibbo has revealed price range for 4070ti, which tbf, £800/900 isn't "too bad" given it is matching 3090ti and probably beating it in RT workloads as well as access to FG.



As Steve from HUB said with regards to the current gen from both amd and nvidia, "let the fanboys and early adopters snap them up at stupid prices and wait for the market to cool of then perhaps nab yourself a deal"

You say wait and pick up a deal but when is it a good time to pick up a deal, 2023 is going to be a monster year for an insane amount of highly anticipated new games - Dead Space remake, Hogwarts Legacy, Atomic Heart, Company of Heroes 3, Wo Long, Skull and Bones, Jedi Survivor, RE4 Remake, Crime Boss and possibly Starfield and all those just in the next 3 months!

 

[Noxia]

That's a terrible comparison, because those people were idiots/fools, and they are easily parted with their cash....Someone overpaying for something 2 years ago, does not make something overpriced today a good deal.

Or they are just people who were in a position to get what they wanted/needed at the time.

 

[Nexus18]

You say wait and pick up a deal but when is it a good time to pick up a deal, 2023 is going to be a monster year for an insane amount of highly anticipated new games - Dead Space remake, Hogwarts Legacy, Atomic Heart, Company of Heroes 3, Wo Long, Skull and Bones, Jedi Survivor, RE4 Remake, Crime Boss and possibly Starfield and all those just in the next 3 months!

True that but given GPUs are starting to sit on shelves now, they will have to drop prices sooner than later imo

 

[uscool]

Or if saving money isn’t the biggest issue, just buy the best, then upgrade when something better comes out and stop worrying about it. The 4090 is a much better card than it’s predecessors just for the cooling alone, and it can be very efficient if that’s your worry.

that sounds like its coming from someone that buys 90 tier / halo products which isnt really effected from last gen pricing and getting nice uplift, cant say the same for whats below that not everyone wants or can afford throwing £1600 at a GPU, so you telling me to get value you need to spend £1600 ?

 

[Woodsta888]

How dare members of enthusiasts forum, buy the enthusiast tier cards!

 

[Deleted member 258511]

You say wait and pick up a deal but when is it a good time to pick up a deal, 2023 is going to be a monster year for an insane amount of highly anticipated new games - Dead Space remake, Hogwarts Legacy, Atomic Heart, Company of Heroes 3, Wo Long, Skull and Bones, Jedi Survivor, RE4 Remake, Crime Boss and possibly Starfield and all those just in the next 3 months!

This. If there are games that you are wanting to play now, don’t wait to save a few quid. The previous years haven’t been great game wise in my opinion other than to show you need more GPU to play Cyberpunk, then to need more CPU to use your GPU.

We could all wait but would we ever buy anything if we thought like that? Maybe that’s why some people never do, who knows?

 

[uscool]

How dare members of enthusiasts forum, buy the enthusiast tier cards!

I have always been into buying bang for buck just always found it more satisfying find it more fun putting it all together and choosing parts over using the thing

 

[Deleted member 258511]

that sounds like its coming from someone that buys 90 tier / halo products which isnt really effected from last gen pricing and getting nice uplift, cant say the same for whats below that not everyone wants or can afford throwing £1600 at a GPU, so you telling me to get value you need to spend £1600 ?

I get that. The pricing is terrible for the lower than 4090 cards, and even the 4090 is too expensive. The fact is though unless you are willing to buy second hand off someone trustworthy that will honour the remaining warranty, there isn’t anything you can get at a bargain anymore.