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NVIDIA 4000 Series

TNA said:
That is not new. Radeon almost always have had poorer resale value relative to GeForce.

It is something I factor in when buying a GPU.

It doesn't help that the 7000 series did not review well and not perceived to be very good GPU's by most.

I personally felt the 7900XTX should have been £800 at most....
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Yeah, I had the 7900XTX for a good period and while it had very decent performance, it was clearly overpriced for what it offered compared to the competition. The fact that it ran hotter, used more power, was louder and had less RT performance etc than the counterpart from Nvidia all went against it.

Added to that I couldn't get past an irksome bug that was known about but hadn't (at the time) been fixed for over a year, which was the final straw for me. Whereas the Nvidia counterpart worked flawlessly in this regard so there is little wonder why the 2nd hand resale value reflects all this.
 
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MartinPrince said:
Yeah, I had the 7900XTX for a good period and while it had very decent performance, it was clearly overpriced for what it offered compared to the competition. The fact that it ran hotter, used more power, was louder and had less RT performance etc than the counterpart from Nvidia all went against it.

Added to that I couldn't get past an irksome bug that was known about but hadn't (at the time) been fixed for over a year, which was the final straw for me. Whereas the Nvidia counterpart worked flawlessly in this regard so there is little wonder why the 2nd hand resale value reflects all this.
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How can a product that offers similar or better performance (Apart from RT) - be 'clearly overpriced' when it's usually about £150/£200 cheaper than an nvidia counterpart? (XTX / 4080S)

Not gonna lie I can't remember the release date price of either card!

Owned both too so I'm not biased just intrigued :p
 
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Troezar said:
There is of course the odd exception. I sold my 5700XT for £850, right place, right time ;)
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I sold my last two AMD cards,an RX470 and a RX5700XT for more than I paid for them. A mate sold their RX6600XT for a decent price too and got an AE RX6700XT for almost the same price!

AMD mainstream cards hold their value well.

Looking on Ebay,the RX7800XT is selling for £380 to £400 secondhand. The new price was £480. The RTX4070 is selling for around £350 to £450 secondhand,but was launched at almost £600.

The RTX3060TI and RX6700XT are not far off each other secondhand either.

Since there are vastly more Nvidia cards for sale secondhand and more supply it appears the prices can be lower for certain models.

I think people need to know when to sell their cards!
 
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Nvidia looking to bring out super GPUs that use a photo interconnect combined with GPU die stacking and memory stacking



Interestingly, I think it was last year an amd engineer stated that stacking GPU dies, especially for gaming gpus won't work until we have 100TB/s interconnects and that's what photonic interconnects provide 100TB/s+ bandwidth between the GPU dies and memory chips, about 100 times faster than today interconnects, such as AMD's infinity fabric
 
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TNA said:
I have done that also. But only because of mining boom or getting it mega cheap in the first place.Nothing to do with it being AMD or nvidia.



Not been my experience of late so can't agree.
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I can only go from experience and that of mates over the last few years. I never really made much of a loss on the AMD cards and it was pretty much the same. I mostly use mainstream cards,not higher end cards. It could be at the higher end people might be more brand aware,but I don't think it's so much under £500.

My mate sold their RX6600XT after the mining boom and they didn't lose that much. The RTX3060 cards lost more,because even if they sold for a bit more, their street price was far more.

People seem to forget the Nvidia cards cost more too and people are willing to pay beyound the odds for expensive ones too. The RTX4070 started at almost £600 - you need to factor that in. The RX7800XT is available for under £400 several times and the RTX4070 even at its lowest was around £50 more. Also I just checked Ebay for those prices today and the 7800XT pricing is holding up well relative to the RTX4070. My RTX3060TI price on Ebay today isn't massively different from an RX6700XT.

The reality is that there are far more Nvidia cards on Ebay than AMD cards. Because of less secondhand supply the prices for the AMD cards are generally better than what you expect.

This happens with camera gear too - some of the more niche brands can hold their value better compared to Canon or Nikon. It's not because they are technically better,but because there is a far larger supply of Canon and Nikon gear.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I can only go from experience and that of mates over the last few years. I never really made much of a loss on the AMD cards and it was pretty much the same. I mostly use mainstream cards,not higher end cards. It could be at the higher end people might be more brand aware,but I don't think it's so much under £500.

My mate sold their RX6600XT after the mining boom and they didn't lose that much. The RTX3060 cards lost more,because even if they sold for a bit more, their street price was far more.

People seem to forget the Nvidia cards cost more too and you need to factor that in too. Also I just checked Ebay for those prices today and the 7800XT pricing is holding up well relative to the RTX4070. My RTX3060TI price on Ebay today isn't massively different from an RX6700XT.

The reality is that there are far more Nvidia cards on Ebay than AMD cards. Because of less secondhand supply the prices for the AMD cards are generally better than what you expect.

This happens with camera gear too - some of the more niche brands can hold their value better compared to Canon or Nikon. It's not because they are technically better,but because there is a far larger supply of Canon and Nikon gear.
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I factor in overall depreciation. I also factor in how easy it is to shift. Nvidia cards are much easier to sell in my experience.
 
Also, not everyone is happy selling on Ebay. People tend to over pay on there generally, But you do take a small chance of getting shafted.
 
TNA said:
I factor in overall depreciation. I also factor in how easy it is to shift. Nvidia cards are much easier to sell in my experience.
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TNA said:
Also, not everyone is happy selling on Ebay. People tend to over pay on there generally, But you do take a small chance of getting shafted.
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From my experience and from a few mates who sell their cards,we have had no problems selling AMD cards. But we tend to buy mainstream cards under £450 and are more value orientated.

Maybe because you buy at a higher end,it might be different and people would want Nvidia and all the extras. TBF,I can understand why and AMD needs to up their game at the higher end.

Just look at last 20 listing of the RTX3060TI. The sold secondhand listings vary from £205 to £260. The last 20 sold secondhand listings of the RX6700XT vary from £200 to £320. But there are far more secondhand RTX3060TI cards.The last 15 sold listings of the RX7800XT are from £375 to £435.Over a similar period,the RTX4070 is £350 to £475. But the RTX4070 was consistently a more expensive card and again far more available secondhand.

So,I don't really have any issues buying either AMD or Nvidia. I just go by the upfront cost. The RTX3060TI was £100 cheaper than the RX6700XT when I went to buy. If it was reversed I would have got the RX6700XT. In the end I would have lost about the same it seems!

Certainly if I sold this card earlier,the RX7800XT would have made sense financially over an RTX4070. It was cheaper and if I sold it now,it would have lost about the same. But since I thought the price of both were crap,I was not interested.

I only hoped the next generation was out before the tariff wars. Oh well I didn't have a Crystal Ball for that!
 
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Troezar said:
A tip in case tariffs kick in. If you've not quite got the readies to buy before any rise, just get something on a 0% deal. Sounds obvious, but many people are resistant to credit, however it could save quite a chunk of change in this case ;)
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Nvidia and AMD pushing back Blackwell and RDNA4 was perfectly timed for both launches! :rolleyes:

It would have been nice for both to launch before deciding.
 
Emlyn_Dewar said:
Prices would increase elsewhere. Don't think these companies would ever miss a chance to fleece non-US customers.
Perhaps they can soften the blow to the US market, but taking in more money from other markets.
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Nonsense. The tariffs will mean less demand in the US, which means more supply in the rest of the world. More supply means lower prices.
 
Troezar said:
A tip in case tariffs kick in. If you've not quite got the readies to buy before any rise, just get something on a 0% deal. Sounds obvious, but many people are resistant to credit, however it could save quite a chunk of change in this case ;)
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That's what I did. £700 over 3 years is under £20 a month and I'll probably keep the card for a decade haha
 
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