NVIDIA 5000 SERIES

[ICDP]

sound business logic there.. i would have done the same, ignored the mouthwateringly profitable market segment and then shutdown the shop eventually (thats where its going)

The business logic you want them to follow has failed.

 

[TNA]

Hurry up and release already, 4090 just doesn't cut it at 4k native!

@mrk what is he saying lad! Sort him out!

 

[brostradamus]

The business logic you want them to follow has failed.

sometimes theres a much simpler explanation, like:
1. product's not good enough - cant compete
2. capacity constrained - cant match prices - cant compete

or you could also go around blaming customers, its easy - and often works in politics

 

[Noxia]

@mrk what is he saying lad! Sort him out!

Who gives a **** about native lol.

I look forward to seeing the arguments about this tomorrow. I'm not spending Christmas day with you saddos

 

[mrk]

@mrk what is he saying lad! Sort him out!

He's one of the 4k native crowd thinking path tracing at 4k native is going to be possible but not realising that it's not even relevant for modern gaming and won't be going forwards as we now jump right into AI rendering on top of AI upscaling.

I said it last week, the cryers of frame gen and upscaling will have a new thing to cry about come Jan/Feb.

 

[TNA]

Who gives a **** about native lol.

I look forward to seeing the arguments about this tomorrow. I'm not spending Christmas day with you saddos

Well, I am sitting on my throne right now. So happy to be here. It is somewhat fitting to if you think about it

 

[TNA]

He's one of the 4k native crowd thinking path tracing at 4k native is going to be possible but not realising that it's not even relevant for modern gaming and won't be going forwards as we now jump right into AI rendering on top of AI upscaling.

I said it last week, the cryers of frame gen and upscaling will have a new thing to cry about come Jan/Feb.

Yeah. Makes no sense when you have DLSS imo.

 

[ICDP]

sometimes theres a much simpler explanation, like:
1. product's not good enough - cant compete
2. capacity constrained - cant match prices - cant compete

or you could also go around blaming customers, its easy - and often works in politics

The key word there is sometimes. I know it’s not one single reason, but plenty of times it’s the fault of the consumers. When people show Nvidia they will pay £2000 plus for a GPU, that’s on the consumer.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I still expect it to beat a 4080 but the cynic tells me the big selling point will be the locked down “must have” features.

I doubt it - probably will match an RTX4070TI/RTX4070TI Super Even then it will be gimped by 12GB of VRAM - I expect Nvidia will tout some new features which won't work with the RTX4000 series.

That neural rendering sounds like one of them. Not even Apple are this bad now.

Then you have AMD who have delusions of how much they can price their own cards.

 

[ICDP]

I doubt it - probably will match an RTX4070TI/RTX4070TI Super Even then it will be gimped by 12GB of VRAM - I expect Nvidia will tout some new features which won't work with the RTX4000 series.

That neural rendering sounds like one of them. Not even Apple are this bad now.

Then you have AMD who have delusions of how much they can price their own cards.

No, Nvidia will tweak it to beat the AMD 9070 and price it at £800 +.

 

[Richdog]

The key word there is sometimes. I know it’s not one single reason, but plenty of times it’s the fault of the consumers. When people show Nvidia they will pay £2000 plus for a GPU, that’s on the consumer.

If lots of people are paying £2000 for a bleeding edge GPU (and lots of people seek to be) then guess what... that's the market value of that bleeding edge GPU.

 

[HRL]

4070 Ti has been a great card for me. Super efficient after undervolting. People bang on about it's 4K performance but who games at 4K native when you have DLSS available these days? I use DLSS Performance mode and thus rendering at 1080p.

Here is a TPU review of where the card stands at 1080p:

Not bad at all for the 575 notes it cost me brand new over a year ago

Oh and you got humbug saying his 7800 XT is 4070 Ti performance. Yea, ok..

I do.

Only use DLSS if I need to at 4K. Thankfully I get away with it a lot with a 4090.

 

[ICDP]

If lots of people are paying £2000 for a bleeding edge GPU (and lots of people seek to be) then guess what... that's the market value of that bleeding edge GPU.

Agreed, but that also tends to dictate the lower stack prices which is the problem for the majority.

 

[uscool]

4070 Ti has been a great card for me. Super efficient after undervolting. People bang on about it's 4K performance but who games at 4K native when you have DLSS available these days? I use DLSS Performance mode and thus rendering at 1080p.

Here is a TPU review of where the card stands at 1080p:

Not bad at all for the 575 notes it cost me brand new over a year ago

Oh and you got humbug saying his 7800 XT is 4070 Ti performance. Yea, ok..

7800xt is more like 6800xt / 3080 performance on pure raster anyway

 

[gpuerrilla]

Agreed, but that also tends to dictate the lower stack prices which is the problem for the majority.

..and now the lower stack has been stagnating so its a double blow.

 

[ICDP]

..and now the lower stack has been stagnating so its a double blow.

Exactly. By all means charge £2k for your bleeding edge, but when your 3rd tier GPUs like a 7900 XT or 4070Ti cost £800 - £900, are only ~15% -30% faster than a £650 3080/6800 XT and (or) have gimped VRAM. You end up with stagnation or even regression in price/performance.

 

[RavenXXX2]

And $600 for the 5070 12gb that will not get near a 4080 unless nvidia have done amazing job with the cores ipc. And the the abysmal 5060ti 16gb slots in at $500, same as this gen. Nvidia doing very little because no competition.

I can see all the stack being 10-20% faster vs this gen equivalents ,excluding the 5090. But nvidia will have some new feature locked down to the 5000 series.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Exactly. By all means charge £2k for your bleeding edge, but when your 3rd tier GPUs like a 7900 XT or 4070Ti cost £800 - £900, are only ~15% -30% faster than a £650 3080 and have gimped VRAM. You end up with stagnation or even regression in price/performance.

It goes over most people's heads that the x080 is diluted to a x070Ti domino down the stack with the price increase.

 

[ICDP]

Exactly.

To be fair I am genuinely impressed with the specs on the 5090. It will be a beast but just like the 4090 I am not interested. Not because I can’t afford it, but because I don’t find value in it.

 

[TNA]

Yeah but can it do RTX HDR RT PT DLSS AI?

The reason AMD are at an historically low market share is not because they don’t compete at the high end. It’s because Nvidia have convinced everyone that upscaling and RT is where it’s at and but even more, they also convinced everyone they had to pay through the nose for the privilege. It was marketing genius that killed off AMD in GPU space, not a lack of decent competitive products.

That's maybe part of it. The other part is Nvidia charging through the nose and AMD thought they can just come in a little cheaper without said features and hope it would work. If nvidia is charging through the nose so are AMD.

They need to release cards at sensible prices on release and not wait for nvidia to release their cards first.

Had AMD come in at £599 and £799 for the 7900xt 7900xtx they would have sold loads more.

Surely possible as these guys are charging through the nose no?