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4k native = best image quality and the benchmark for DLSS to aim for. Will be interesting to see how many years it takes for DLSS to match native resolution without bugs.
Of course I'm forced to use DLSS on my 4090 to get FPS close to 100 in modern games, as the 4090 is too slow at native 4K. Though DLSS does have bugs and issues, visual artifacts with certain textures/areas in some games. It's improving, though still not close to native.
5090 will enable more games to be playable at 4K native, which is exciting to me
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Hang on. We were told on here for ages that DLSS is better than native.
Agreed and I should have pointed out that a large part of the problem is AMD and their stupid pricing. They were a lot more sensible with the GRE and the 7800 XT but by then it was too late to impact market share. What’s the betting they go full retard on the 8800 XT (or whatever they call it).
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Humbug has a very special 7800XT though that undervolts to 500mV and clocks to 4GhzLies. Humbug says it is 4070 Ti performance
Humbug has a very special 7800XT though that undervolts to 500mV and clocks to 4Ghz
There's something special going on alright..
4k native = best image quality and the benchmark for DLSS to aim for. Will be interesting to see how many years it takes for DLSS to match native resolution without bugs.
Of course I'm forced to use DLSS on my 4090 to get FPS close to 100 in modern games, as the 4090 is too slow at native 4K. Though DLSS does have bugs and issues, visual artifacts with certain textures/areas in some games. It's improving, though still not close to native.
5090 will enable more games to be playable at 4K native, which is exciting to me
Lies. Mrk says 4090 is way too powerful and it will take a game much more intensive than Cyberpunk to make it worth upgrading.
Yes, he said this earlier this year.
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by feb 2025 developers should be successful in bringing the 5090 to its knees, where do we go from there
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So 4090 was a super halo part with lots of talking points like FG, PT etc.
4070 and below were the volume parts we the same feature set but too little VRAM to use some of the big talking points like FG.
The halo part oversold the other parts like in previous generations. Like the previous gen 3070 out selling 6800 by a huge margin because in heavy RT titles it could be 50% faster or so - but in real life both were unplayable like 16 vs 24 FPS or similar!
I suspect that 5070 will match a 4080. But only where the 5070 isn't VRAM limited. Nvidia's AI texture compression to the rescue? Well maybe but texturesm compression is one thing, the overheads for FG, RT, and PT might be something else entirely.
I wouldn't mind the above so much as long as "journalists" would report things honestly but I suspect Nvidia's PR machine will once again be setting the narrative. Hence nobody who values releases day access will dwell on shortcomings like the latest greatest feature requiring more VRAM than the mainstream cards actually have.
4070 and below were the volume parts we the same feature set but too little VRAM to use some of the big talking points like FG.
The halo part oversold the other parts like in previous generations. Like the previous gen 3070 out selling 6800 by a huge margin because in heavy RT titles it could be 50% faster or so - but in real life both were unplayable like 16 vs 24 FPS or similar!
I suspect that 5070 will match a 4080. But only where the 5070 isn't VRAM limited. Nvidia's AI texture compression to the rescue? Well maybe but texturesm compression is one thing, the overheads for FG, RT, and PT might be something else entirely.
I wouldn't mind the above so much as long as "journalists" would report things honestly but I suspect Nvidia's PR machine will once again be setting the narrative. Hence nobody who values releases day access will dwell on shortcomings like the latest greatest feature requiring more VRAM than the mainstream cards actually have.
I think this is one of the metrics a lot of the mainstream press and most enthusiasts miss.
OMG Nvidia are 30% faster in extreme RT. They don’t realise that’s because 33% faster on their 4070 is 34 instead of 26 FPS and neither are playable. When you add the obligatory upscaling the 33% becomes 5% - 10% and you are now comparing ~60 FPS vs ~65 FPS.
OMG Nvidia are 30% faster in extreme RT. They don’t realise that’s because 33% faster on their 4070 is 34 instead of 26 FPS and neither are playable. When you add the obligatory upscaling the 33% becomes 5% - 10% and you are now comparing ~60 FPS vs ~65 FPS.
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No, but Ti yes.
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have a simple benchmark while buying a gpu just go by the official transistor count it only failed me once with the rx vega 64 which had more transistors than a 1080 ti, but has been pretty much bang on otherwise - been ages since i have looked at mainstream gpu reviews
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I try the same but it's not worked for many years 'cause I can only count to 11 then I run out of fingers
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I think he (@humbug ) means once you’ve undervolted and overclocked the 7800xt. I get a 22271 Timespy score with mine (rock stable for all my games) so not too far off stock 4070ti scores. So I basically have upped performance over stock 7800xt by about 10%.
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That's definitely bro science logic
That's because you can't compares paper specs between architectures - many things other than transistors affect performance
Buying GPUs only because they have more transistors is the same as buying a car simply because its engine has higher displacement than your previous car - which again, is not the only indicator of performance and will get you burnt
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I'm just looking at stock across all otherwise it gets messy , and looking at overall gaming averages
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Does the webbing not get in the way too? Do they call you Mr Spinal Tap?I try the same but it's not worked for many years 'cause I can only count to 11 then I run out of fingers
Almost pointless looking at 3dmark only imo. Need to look across many games. Oh and I can overclock my 4070Ti also.
I am actually using the said OC profile when playing STALKER 2. I get the extra fps and extra heat which is welcome
I have 5 profiles on afterburner. The one I typically use cuts power usage dramatically and looses a few percent performance. In many games I get 120-140w when playing with that profile. Brilliant really.
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