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NVIDIA 5000 SERIES

A few are coming to the conclusion that the 5080 couldn't possibly be faster than the 4090 in raster based purely on specs.

Generation to generation performance scaling is not linear. We are comparing GDDR6X vs GDDR7 here, higher clock speeds etc.

Again, we can only speculate here until we get past the fake frame AI waffle and see raster benchmarks.
Don't forget export restrictions. If Nvidia wants to take full advantage of the sizable Chinese market with the 5080, the card's performance has to slide in under the restrictions.
 
I'm not defending any of the fake frame stuff Nvidia does but you can't call something that you've known about for 24 hours 'garbage' without any actual testing...

You can if you have decided you won't be upgrading and therefore won't have access to it :D

You can see it in many users posts. When they have latest greatest they love the tech and it is the best thing since sliced bread. Then when the time comes where they can no longer reach for the top they slowly change their tune :cry:
 
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Even if the 4090 still beats it, like it or not, raw performance is starting to become almost irrelevant for gaming and that will influence resale value in most cases.
Spoken like someone who doesn't actually play any games :D The new releases for "modern audiences" that utilize the new tech aren't even worth the time to 'acquire' on the dark internet seas, let alone play. Raster will always have a place if just to be able to replay an older classic at higher settings or with some modern mods.
 
Spoken like someone who doesn't actually play any games :D The new releases for "modern audiences" that utilize the new tech aren't even worth the time to 'acquire' on the dark internet seas, let alone play. Raster will always have a place if just to be able to replay an older classic at higher settings or with some modern mods.
Mhmm. If you're mainly playing older games then of course you're fine. But the future is ai and that means frame gen. Like it or lump it. Also if someone is buying a 4090 to play older games then I would question their logic there.
 
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Spoken like someone who doesn't actually play any games :D The new releases for "modern audiences" that utilize the new tech aren't even worth the time to 'acquire' on the dark internet seas, let alone play. Raster will always have a place if just to be able to replay an older classic at higher settings or with some modern mods.

Moore’s Law has to come to a crashing halt at some point. Generative AI was the next step in computational advancements, let’s just be thankful those advancements came to us mere mortals (gamers), regardless of one’s feelings on FG or Upscaling.
 
A few are coming to the conclusion that the 5080 couldn't possibly be faster than the 4090 in raster based purely on specs.

Generation to generation performance scaling is not linear. We are comparing GDDR6X vs GDDR7 here, higher clock speeds etc.

Again, we can only speculate here until we get past the fake frame AI waffle and see raster benchmarks.

The naming of the memory is irrelevant, all that matters is the overall bandwidth and the 4090 has more.

The 5080's clock speeds are a few percent higher than the 4090, that's it.

Against that the 5080 has two-thirds of the CUDA cores (and associated SMs/ROPs/etc) of the 4090.

Of course we can only speculate and that's all I'm doing. My speculation is that the 5080 will not match the 4090.

Time will tell.
 
The PCB is more in line with the 5090s PCB.

Only in terms of the extension cable connecting the PCIe connector, which may have given inspiration for the 5090 design.

In every way that matters, that WAS a 4090. It identified as such and it clearly had 24GB on a 384-bit bus.
 
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Oh, I agree. I would rather lower settings and run clean than run this stuff which, despite what nV promotes, you can see immediately. But people latch onto this stuff like it's magic mana and it affects demand for cards.

I agree with you for the low-to-mid tier cards, for example potential 5070 buyers will probably lap up the "as fast as a 4090" garbage and I've already seen several so-called tech Youtubers fall into this trap.

I think most buyers forking out four figures for a high-end card are a bit more clued up, although maybe I'm giving people too much credit :D
 
I agree with you for the low-to-mid tier cards, for example potential 5070 buyers will probably lap up the "as fast as a 4090" garbage and I've already seen several so-called tech Youtubers fall into this trap.

I think most buyers forking out four figures for a high-end card are a bit more clued up, although maybe I'm giving people too much credit :D
Narrator in three weeks: Vertigo was giving people to much credit."

You can't really blame people to want something for less, but it does illicit the popular meme:

Kid - "I want a card that renders FPS."
Mom - "But we have FPS at home."
...5070 with DLSS at full tilt.
 
Narrator in three weeks: Vertigo was giving people to much credit."

You can't really blame people to want something for less, but it does illicit the popular meme:

Kid - "I want a card that renders FPS."
Mom - "But we have FPS at home."
...5070 with DLSS at full tilt.

I'm actually reminded of when the consoles first supported 4K but it was kind of "pseudo-4K" with dynamic resolution scaling depending on load etc.

The "PC master race" crown instantly start ridiculing them saying PC's can do "proper 4K" when, in reality, did anyone actually care?

So the point is taken :)
 
Well one just sold on the MM for over £1100 and that's a few hundred lower than they're going for on eBay.

What price are you predicting they're going to drop to in the next few weeks? If they were going to crash in value they'd have already done so since the announcement.

I'll just say it, you're living in a fantasy land if you think they're going to drop to the used prices the 3090s did after the 4 series announcement/release.
3090 for 1100 ?
4090 went for that this morning
3090 are around 500
 
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