Less VRAM, sure. However, we have no idea what the rasterisation performance is on the 5000 series. Some people just want the latest tech/features.
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That's not what I said.
Doesn't even feel like a true workstation GPU with no NVLINK.. 32GB applications maybe but for anything more the 3090/ti still does 48GB with NVLINK for VRAM intensive applications, nothing since from Nvidia does that apart from the A-series with 30 series GPUs.. It's all a mess from Nvidia.
All they care about is AI and fake frames these days. The 5090 being double the price of a 5080 and double the specs of a 5080 really should have come with 48GB out of the box to justify the price at least or have NVLINK back on the cards which seems to be server cards only these days.
Anyways my wallet is back in my pocket this generation too. Will wait and see what comes next from their Pro range A-series and if any are worth their price and have a real world update from dual 3090/ti in applications that require 48GB+ VRAM... So far losing all hope with Nvidia until this AI bubble bursts and they may finally give us what we all want, more VRAM and real world performance not fake numbers to match their fake narratives.
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Modded Skyrim can max out the VRAM on a 4090 already. You just need some imagination.
Kinda feels like the raster vs AI framegen camps are basically equivalent to classical fine art enjoyers vs modern art slop fans
I guess the smeared artefacts have their own quirky vibe for some people.
They just based an absolutely massive portion of their pitch on frame gen. I think it's safe to say it's the future. There's also a new reflex version to lower latency even more. I personally don't like the idea of frame gen but being in denial about its prominence is silly.
If that's the use case then a 3090 will do.
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Modded Skyrim can max out the VRAM on a 4090 already. You just need some imagination.
Kinda feels like the raster vs AI framegen camps are basically equivalent to classical fine art enjoyers vs modern art slop fans
Can do the same on MS flight simulator , easy to max out 24GB these days on many games even at less than 4K. The real issue for me comes with work applications where 24GB has been dead for years for me now and why I use two 3090s in NVLINK just to be able to get 48GB use and even that has come to a painful end too for some jobs run on them and they run into system memory that slows everything right down. Meeh.. Nvidia at their best..
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Modded Skyrim can max out the VRAM on a 4090 already. You just need some imagination.
Kinda feels like the raster vs AI framegen camps are basically equivalent to classical fine art enjoyers vs modern art slop fans
Something has to give at some point though. We cant just keep banging heads against the raster performance wall because soon it's going to stop moving. Whilst I am sure nVidia would happily release incremental generational updates that only offered 5-10% raster performance with NOTHING else to add if they thought it would sell I am not sure consumers would buy in the same numbers (Although clearly some would).
I am not a fan of FG either but can appreciate it's at least a positive step towards a developing technology. It might not be desirable for some titles or genres I can see it's application in others. I'm not on board with it being used to compare generational performance uplifts but what are you going to do....marketing is going to market.
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Modded Skyrim can max out the VRAM on a 4090 already. You just need some imagination.
Kinda feels like the raster vs AI framegen camps are basically equivalent to classical fine art enjoyers vs modern art slop fans
From the other side (just for funsies), while it’s easy to be snobby about fine art and heritage in principle, walking around a gallery of portraits and paintings of Jesus with angels tends to bore the heck out of most - not everything is as impressive to the common eye as Michaelangelo’s David!
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How can it be the future? There only so many frames you can insert, how will they convince you to upgrade next time without increasing raster performance?
It's real simple, all games are not fully pathtraced, therefore raster performance matters.
It’s definitely possible I don’t play any CPU intensive games, I mostly play FPS games, but yeah I’ve never seen my CPU over 30% usageFor sure, I'm way underutilised inVampire SurvivorsI mean Indiana Jones
Of course raster performance matters. But you would be naive to think that all out raster performance is the future prime focus in ANY of the GPU Brand camps.
There is a whole melting pot of people looking at the 5000 series and whilst I can appreciate the 100% raster performance over everything else camp is not particulary impressed (Or dare I say, dissapointed) you can't really complain that the 5090 might not represent a notable upgrade over the 4090 on raster alone. Well...you can complain but it is what it is. Diverting that complaint into anger towards other emerging technologies isn't going to achieve anything.
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You're completely right on the side of nvidia moving units and what strategies are left for them to adopt at this rate. But all this technology is useless unless it actually gets adopted and integrated into game development pipelines. And as we've been seeing, most recent AAA titles, with heavy technological adoption, are often flops or at least undersell massively. There is an issue with creative bankruptcy, which leads to so many remakes and remasters. A lot of 'gamers' are opting for AA or even single dev games with less visual fidelity but with actual fun gameplay design. If they had to sell a generation of cards in the current climate, it would have made more sense to do it by substantially increasing VRAM instead of the AI floppity flops.
You can enjoy your futuristic fake frames, I'm returning to the creative age of le monke, bruteforcing amazing performance on old badly optimized games simply through better cards.
Problem with ebay is you're taking a chance that the buyer is honest and genuine. IMO it's not worth it, as there are so many dishonest people on there that will request (and get) a full refund up to 6 months after you sell the item.
They don't even have to return the same item to you, they just need to make sure it weights the same. To top it off, they force you to pay postage too.
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Frame generation is a con. And not the real performance.
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I've said the same thing about eBay. Personally, I wouldn't sell on there, but quite a few posters here still do and haven't had any problems.
Still, clearing £1100 on here isn't too shabby if you paid the RRP of the FE or around that price for an AIB model 2 years ago.
The poster I was responding to seemed to be suggesting that they would drop well below a grand in the next few weeks.
People do not need to buy new cards for less intensive games though. I can hand on heart say I have never had a VRAM issue that prevented me from playing a game. Extensively modding a game falls outside of the consideration for the general gaming population as far as I am concerned, especially given that this is a choice.
I'm not sure offereing a range of 4000 Series card with with more VRAM and parity on raster performance would have been a particularly strong strategy.