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NVIDIA 5000 SERIES

Vertigo said:
Define "smash".

The 4080 SUPER is about 50% faster than an original 3080 and the 5080 doesn't look like being much faster.

Yes 50-60% is a significant bump plus 60% more VRAM of course but I don't call that "smashing" it and it's a rather underwhelming increase for nearly 4.5 years.
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Just depends what games are being played and at what settings. If 3080 user can't play the games they want and a 5080 fixes that then why wouldn't they upgrade?
 
opethdisciple said:
There is something fishy about the 5070 and 5070ti...

In reality the line up is as such:

5060 (with a 5070 sticker on)
5070 (with a 5070ti sticker on)
5080
5090
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It's not even that good.

5070 = 5060 (24% die)
5070Ti = 5070 (35%)
5080 = 5070Ti (45%)
Gap
5090 (82%, even then this is less than the 3080 83%).
 
Vertigo said:
Given that no 50 series card has a 384-bit bus I find it extremely unlikely they'd create a whole new board just for a 5080Ti/SUPER. They're also highly unlikely to jump all the way to 512-bit.

Yes of course 384-bit is technically possible. Doesn't matter what generation of GDDR it is, the chips have a 32-bit interface so they'd need to be in multiples of 12, so 12/24/36GB.
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Well lucky they have 3GB modules already and currently using for the laptop 5090s so they have the ability if they want to do it.
 
Vertigo said:
Given that no 50 series card has a 384-bit bus I find it extremely unlikely they'd create a whole new board just for a 5080Ti/SUPER. They're also highly unlikely to jump all the way to 512-bit.

Yes of course 384-bit is technically possible. Doesn't matter what generation of GDDR it is, the chips have a 32-bit interface so they'd need to be in multiples of 12, so 12/24/36GB.
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They dont need a new board. 4090 board is also technically 512bit, just the extra modules are missing.
 
Bidley said:
I think that's being generous, the 5080 is more like the 5070ti and the rest being shifted down a tier.

They're doing what they did with the 4080 unlaunch tomfoolery, except they're doing it with every card except the 5090.
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The 5080 only has 43.75% cuda cores of a full GB202 die, to put that into context no 70 class before the 40 series ever used below 50%, A GTX760ti, 2060super and 3060ti all had a larger cuda % for their respective generations.
 
Be interesting to see the real world raster impact on the 4090 vs 5090, I get the feeling this time they do have a Titan type card waiting, that card looks way too small for their highest end. A 5090 Ti or variant at 2.5K list price maybe on the cards.
 
I fully expect Nvidia to force reviewers to focus on the RT and Fake Frames testing. If reviewers focus on pure raster games expect increases of ~25% for the 5090 over the 4090. The 5080, 5070Ti and 5070 will have even smaller gains.

It looks like RT will take a bigger jump of about 40% as Nvidia seem to be shifting their transistor balance more to RT cores.
 
ICDP said:
I fully expect Nvidia to force reviewers to focus on the RT and Fake Frames testing. If reviewers focus on pure raster games expect increases of ~25% for the 5090 over the 4090. The 5080, 5070Ti and 5070 will have even smaller gains.

It looks like RT will take a bigger jump of about 40% as Nvidia seem to be shifting their transistor balance more to RT cores.
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Force reviewers? They tried that stuff with Hardware Unboxed, it didn't go well for Nvidia.
 
ICDP said:
I fully expect Nvidia to force reviewers to focus on the RT and Fake Frames testing. If reviewers focus on pure raster games expect increases of ~25% for the 5090 over the 4090. The 5080, 5070Ti and 5070 will have even smaller gains.

It looks like RT will take a bigger jump of about 40% as Nvidia seem to be shifting their transistor balance more to RT cores.
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Be really funny if every reviewer just did game tests with no RT & no AI fake frames and posted only them results :D
 
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gpuerrilla said:
Bookmarking this for the ray tracing thread as we know how important this is right. Right?
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I have no issues with improving RT and to be fair raster at 4K is already well covered from the 7900 XT and above. So a shift towards better RT and raster balance is not a bad thing.

But yeah, expect the usual shifting of the narrative away from DLSS 3 (and FSR4 if it as good) being “better than native”. Or that the 4070Ti RT is not good enough and never was in the first place.
 
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Kirby Wurm said:
Yeah, the 5080 is half the 5090 pretty much, which in the past had been reserved for the *070 cards. Sadly this is the hand we're dealt as @TNA pointed out. If you have a performance bracket in mind for an upgrade and want it this gen then you can only go with the options available or hold out for another year or two (and I can't imagine the mid-cycle refreshes will be much (if at all) better value wise). In my case the target is 2x the performance of my current card so the 5080 fits the bill, just a shame it's £1k with only 16GB VRAM.
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Oh I agree, I'm just moaning :) I'm on a 3080 so will no doubt see a big uplift if I go for a 5080. It's just a shame there's no competition at this tier, unless the 9070xt is (for example) 60% fast for £500 against the 5080s 75% better at £1k.

Benchmarks will be the watershed.
 
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