It’s Nvidia, you are incredibly naive if you don’t think they will not simply try different methods to force their narrative.
They are master at this stuff.
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It’s Nvidia, you are incredibly naive if you don’t think they will not simply try different methods to force their narrative.
They are master at this stuff.
Source?
I see no evidence that 4090 boards have a 512-bit bus nor that there's any space for four additional memory chips.
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I fully expect this also, There's only 1 reviewer I am interested in and that's GN, The rest I guarantee will all start with the paid shill scripts as always which will be to show the products in their best possible light which will be the MFG fake frames.
After GN's review the only trustworthy sources are users themselves, I've seen far too many times over the years these tech tubers will do anything to brown nose the manufacturers for a freebie.
Soldato
It would be GOLD for an outlet to try and get controller by Nvida in this way. The news and clicks it would generate would be an outlets dream. Even if you think they may use this power to influence smaller outlets/channels once it's leaked to the bigger outlets = same results.
Normal marketing spin to emphasise new methods/bullet points is normal and should be expected though. Ultimately always go to outlets you trust. Hardware Unboxed and Gamers Nexus are two such I recommend that I guarantee will not be susceptible to the kind of egregious abuse of power your worrying about.
This is even worse than expected because it will be less than 15% improvement over a 4080 Super. Those numbers will not review well, hence my prediction Nvidia will need to be pushing the new AI features of the 5000 series.
I was genuinely expecting the 5080 to do the usual and beat the previous 90 series. This has been historically the case for Nvidia.
Be really funny if every reviewer just did game tests with no RT & no AI fake frames and posted only them results
Watching (bits of) the WAN show this morning, I was interested when Luke mentioned some thing Nvidia did with loads of reviewers. He couldn't say much but it sounded like it was a discussion about testing methodologies.
Sounds to me like Nvidia is desperately trying to get reviewers to test apples and oranges, i.e. to test 50 series with MFG against 40 series without it, on the basis that "it doesn't matter where the frames come from, they're still frames".
More smoke and mirrors from Nvidia and yes I agree, I want all the review sites to test raw performance or at least equivalent DLSS and FG settings to expose their ********.
Agree, but the HUB debacle was a fiasco. And they didn't try it for the 4000 series as far as I could tell.
If they do try and "train" the bigger reviewers, they'll go public like HUB did when eventually Linus started shouting about it.
All they can really do is send review samples out late (if at all) or gimp review drivers, but even that will come out in the wash.
I don't deny though, if there is a way to force focus on RT and/or MFG, they absolutely will.
Thing is, despite the HUB thing and the 4080 unlaunch, they still gained marketshare and are basically a monopoly at the upper end. I'm here moaning about the 5080 being underwhelming (on paper) and yet will still probably end up buying one as it's my best option. So do they even need to risk the bad press?
Well as a 4080 (bought used) owner my upgrade path is non existent as I refuse to pay £2000 + for a GPU. That’s just a personal preference of course. So I was expecting the usual 30% + uplift at the 80 series level.
1080 to 2080 was 35%
2080 to 3080 was about 45%
3080 to 4080 was about 40%
4080 to 5080 looks to be less than 20%
Obviously this is performance only and does not factor any prices.
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I'm pretty much settled on waiting for reviews now and seeing what happens in Feb/March
I'm definatly expecting to upgrade my 3080 but there is still no rush.
Just concerned about all these fake frames masking over real performance numbers.
I'm definatly expecting to upgrade my 3080 but there is still no rush.
Just concerned about all these fake frames masking over real performance numbers.
Yeah there was a good discussion of this on the Linus WAN show - worth a watch.
Linus said he’ll buy a 5090 but isn’t buying it so he can turn on DLSS, but then he’s an image quality perfectionist as it’s literally his job to be, so he is at the extreme end of ‘fussy’. There was a fun anecdote of how Nvidia trying to blind test him back in the day and he got the answer right immediately.
He also inferred said he’d rather turn down texture quality etc. than use DLSS to get his desired frame rates.
Which although this wasn’t discussed further it does raise an interesting point - if you’re the same as him and would rather not use the highest textures, then vram is going to be less of an issue. If you’re the same and not keen on DLSS or ray tracing… 5080 might be the card to go for?
Both of them ultimately agreed that there is no ‘right’ answer because (although inferred) some might think ‘DLSS plus effects etc + higher FPS’ is better than ‘no DLSS, less effects and less frames’. And yeah it really is up to the individual.
Linus said he’ll buy a 5090 but isn’t buying it so he can turn on DLSS, but then he’s an image quality perfectionist as it’s literally his job to be, so he is at the extreme end of ‘fussy’. There was a fun anecdote of how Nvidia trying to blind test him back in the day and he got the answer right immediately.
He also inferred said he’d rather turn down texture quality etc. than use DLSS to get his desired frame rates.
Which although this wasn’t discussed further it does raise an interesting point - if you’re the same as him and would rather not use the highest textures, then vram is going to be less of an issue. If you’re the same and not keen on DLSS or ray tracing… 5080 might be the card to go for?
Both of them ultimately agreed that there is no ‘right’ answer because (although inferred) some might think ‘DLSS plus effects etc + higher FPS’ is better than ‘no DLSS, less effects and less frames’. And yeah it really is up to the individual.
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Yeah as a 4000 series owner you are stuck. I'm on a 3080 and I also can't stomach £2k on a GPU, and if I did I would want it to still be relevant until whatever the 8000 series is called arrives.
There is a glaring need for a 5080ti (or the card the 5080 should've been). The old 80 class is gone now, you either spend big on the Titan or buy an overpriced 70 class and be happy.
As a rule I have skipped every other gen since my 1080ti. It now seems like that's a necessity to get a noticeable uplift.
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It’s only going to get far far more expensive from here.
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The new Dune game looks like it runs great on 5090..... a massive ~60fps without DLSS 
So there's no hope of anything other than a 5090/4090 running that game with reasonable input latency when frame gen is enabled given that 5090 with MFG introduces +7ms on top of regular frame gen on 4090.
Game optimisation will continue to go out of the window with devs thinking they don't need to optimise because multi frame gen will give them a pass
So there's no hope of anything other than a 5090/4090 running that game with reasonable input latency when frame gen is enabled given that 5090 with MFG introduces +7ms on top of regular frame gen on 4090.
Game optimisation will continue to go out of the window with devs thinking they don't need to optimise because multi frame gen will give them a pass
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The new Dune game looks like it runs great on 5090..... a massive ~60fps without DLSS
So there's no hope of anything other than a 5090/4090 running that game with reasonable input latency when frame gen is enabled given that 5090 with MFG introduces +7ms on top of regular frame gen on 4090.
Game optimisation will continue to go out of the window with devs thinking they don't need to optimise because multi frame gen will give them a pass
Do you think so though when it's like 1% of the audience that has a 4090/5090.
I feel like my 4090 pretty much destroyed everything with the exception of two games (if all their settings were maxed including experimental features).
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Its a toss up between 4090 defence syndrome and the realisation that all these extra frames and features are suddenly not really that great? Interesting to watch unfold. 
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Had that 5080 had more than 16gb of VRAM then the FOMO would have been present for me.
However, 4080s to 5080 looks like a complete waste of time at this stage.
However, 4080s to 5080 looks like a complete waste of time at this stage.
To be fair, this is all smoke and mirrors to sell MFG on cards below the 5090, and/or upsell the 5090. There's nothing to say the raw performance won't improve on Dune on release, Nvidia may be manipulating it. It's more than likely another Cyberpunk situation.The new Dune game looks like it runs great on 5090..... a massive ~60fps without DLSS
So there's no hope of anything other than a 5090/4090 running that game with reasonable input latency when frame gen is enabled given that 5090 with MFG introduces +7ms on top of regular frame gen on 4090.
Game optimisation will continue to go out of the window with devs thinking they don't need to optimise because multi frame gen will give them a pass
This will be the first time an 80 hasn't matched or beat the top card from the previous generation, At least we know why Nvidia didn't go for a $1200 MSRP