NVIDIA 5000 SERIES

Jay-G25 · 11 Jan 2025 at 14:46

Sin_Chase said:
If I didn't need to watercool the card I would have gone for an FE this time around also (Having never had an FE card before)

The FE will no doubt get its own block just like the rest of the years 3090/4090 , be interesting to see what they come up with this time around

bigjimmyauk said:
Has there been any news on waterblocks for the 5000 series FE cards yet? i think alphacool have announced something but seen nothing else yet from anyone else. 8Gb on my 3070ti is killing me

EKWB posted up yesterday ( fb ) that they will have new blocks for these GPU and have one on show but no idea what it's for ... would be interested in one of them but only if they send stock to OCUK as won't be ordering anything off their website as apparently they haven't been delivering orders to customers for months now .....

Bidley · 11 Jan 2025 at 14:46

Looking forward to the independant reviews and the inevitable fallout. Allow me to make a prediction;

Reviewers will find a 20-30% uplift in raster, and 30-40% in RT.

The same reviewers in the same video will also test DLSS and MFG, and report the input lag, (loss of) image quality, and FPS increases.

People will be up in arms that there is a less than satisfactory raw performance improvement and cry about them being Nvidia shills for even mentioning MFG.

Another set of people will cry that they have been so negative about the disappointing raw performance improvement, and that not enough is made of the DLSS/MFG advancement, therefore they are anti-Nvidia.

Everyone moans about whatever AMD releases.

Everyone buys Blackwell anyway.

parisv · 11 Jan 2025 at 14:47

Jay-G25 said:
The FE will no doubt get its own block just like the rest of the years 3090/4090 , be interesting to see what they come up with this time around

EKWB posted up yesterday ( fb ) that they will have new blocks for these GPU and have one on show but no idea what it's for ... would be interested in one of them but only if they send stock to OCUK as won't be ordering anything off their website as apparently they haven't been delivering orders to customers for months now .....

yeah they just need to design one that fits this

Vertigo · 11 Jan 2025 at 14:57

Is it just me or, with all these 5080/90 vs 4080/90 comparisons, is memory bandwidth the elephant in the room?

The 5080 has only 5% more cores than the 4080S but 30% more memory bandwidth.
The 5090 has 30% more cores than the 4090 but 78% more memory bandwidth.

Just how bandwidth limited are the 4080 and 4090? Obviously this depends on many factors, primarily resolution but, in scenarios where they are, the 50-series cards could provide much more of a jump than the core counts would suggest.

I may be clutching at straws here but I do predict the gains to be much bigger at 4K than at lower resolutions.

Personality+ · 11 Jan 2025 at 15:31

Vertigo said:
Is it just me or, with all these 5080/90 vs 4080/90 comparisons, is memory bandwidth the elephant in the room?

The 5080 has only 5% more cores than the 4080S but 30% more memory bandwidth.
The 5090 has 30% more cores than the 4090 but 78% more memory bandwidth.

Just how bandwidth limited are the 4080 and 4090? Obviously this depends on many factors, primarily resolution but, in scenarios where they are, the 50-series cards could provide much more of a jump than the core counts would suggest.

I may be clutching at straws here but I do predict the gains to be much bigger at 4K than at lower resolutions.

We shall find out very soon

Mike25 · 11 Jan 2025 at 15:43

Jay-G25 said:
The FE will no doubt get its own block just like the rest of the years 3090/4090 , be interesting to see what they come up with this time around

EKWB posted up yesterday ( fb ) that they will have new blocks for these GPU and have one on show but no idea what it's for ... would be interested in one of them but only if they send stock to OCUK as won't be ordering anything off their website as apparently they haven't been delivering orders to customers for months now .....

I wouldn't rely on EKWB :cry:

Kirby Wurm · 11 Jan 2025 at 16:02

gpuerrilla said:
I just seen a DF post where its ~17% which is poor but if that's the improvement over the 4080 then the jump of just over 50% is good enough for me.

That's very poor gen on gen and would make 2nd hand 4090's around £1200 more appealing (I have zero interest in MFG) as they'd still be faster than the 5080 with 50% more VRAM.

Still, if I order one release day I can always return if reviews shows performance that isn't good enough.

Adrian1976 · 11 Jan 2025 at 16:06

Bidley said:
Looking forward to the independant reviews and the inevitable fallout. Allow me to make a prediction;

Reviewers will find a 20-30% uplift in raster, and 30-40% in RT.

The same reviewers in the same video will also test DLSS and MFG, and report the input lag, (loss of) image quality, and FPS increases.

People will be up in arms that there is a less than satisfactory raw performance improvement and cry about them being Nvidia shills for even mentioning MFG.

Another set of people will cry that they have been so negative about the disappointing raw performance improvement, and that not enough is made of the DLSS/MFG advancement, therefore they are anti-Nvidia.

Everyone moans about whatever AMD releases.

Everyone buys Blackwell anyway.

Well I'll be the first to say I am sticking with my 4090 and Nvidia ain't getting a penny from me this release.

All RTX users are getting DLSS 4 anyway and that's far more important than any MFG crap imho.

The only way to make the corps deliver and listen is by voting with your wallet.

Bidley · 11 Jan 2025 at 16:13

Adrian1976 said:
Well I'll be the first to say I am sticking with my 4090 and Nvidia ain't getting a penny from me this release.

All RTX users are getting DLSS 4 anyway and that's far more important than any MFG crap imho.

The only way to make the corps deliver and listen is by voting with your wallet.

Nvidia already have your money

if I had a 4090 I wouldn't be upgrading either unless this generation is one in a million. I was amazed to see the amount of people with 4090s who were completely down to spend £2500 on a 5090 without any clue what the uplift would be. It's easy to say you're not upgrading when you already have the best and most expensive (for now) GPU.

parisv · 11 Jan 2025 at 16:16

Adrian1976 said:
Well I'll be the first to say I am sticking with my 4090 and Nvidia ain't getting a penny from me this release.

All RTX users are getting DLSS 4 anyway and that's far more important than any MFG crap imho.

The only way to make the corps deliver and listen is by voting with your wallet.

I think you might be the 200th 40 series owner that has said

The jump for us 30 series owners is 100-120%.

otester · 11 Jan 2025 at 16:44

4090/5090 is same node so you'll probably only see raster gains of ~30% unlike the much bigger 3090 to 4090 gains (~60%), 5090 to 6090 should be another large jump again as new node is expected.

If you have a 4090 I'd wait 2 years, or get a 5080 if you're on a lesser card.

Jay-G25 · 11 Jan 2025 at 16:46

Mike25 said:
I wouldn't rely on EKWB

Exactly where I mentioned only getting one from OCUK rather than directly off their site, they are probably hoping this is the magic pill to get them out the **** :cry:

Octoplex7 · 11 Jan 2025 at 16:57

I wonder what this gen will do to AIB profit margin's? The fe's are getting more and more elaborate in their engineering and I wouldn't be surprised if we see another EVGA situation. How are you supposed to compete with the 5090's price, size, and cooling (assuming the thing is able to keep to tolerable temps and noise levels)? Perhaps Chinese AI sales will keep things viable.

Finners · 11 Jan 2025 at 17:11

Octoplex7 said:
I wonder what this gen will do to AIB profit margin's? The fe's are getting more and more elaborate in their engineering and I wouldn't be surprised if we see another EVGA situation. How are you supposed to compete with the 5090's price, size, and cooling (assuming the thing is able to keep to tolerable temps and noise levels)? Perhaps Chinese AI sales will keep things viable.

For now I think they will be able to sell as many as they can make due to AI so for this gen I think AIB will be safe.

In the future I think the same as you that the Nvidia card is on a different level engineering wise especially if the temps and noise are decent.

So if AIB partners were to disappear this would have a serious knock on effect for shops that didn't sell the FE as so many people who buy there whole build/upgrade from a store that does sell the FE.

Vertigo · 11 Jan 2025 at 17:23

Octoplex7 said:
I wonder what this gen will do to AIB profit margin's? The fe's are getting more and more elaborate in their engineering and I wouldn't be surprised if we see another EVGA situation. How are you supposed to compete with the 5090's price, size, and cooling (assuming the thing is able to keep to tolerable temps and noise levels)? Perhaps Chinese AI sales will keep things viable.

Jensen has made no secret of the fact he wants to be like Apple and only sell cards themselves with no AIBs.

He clearly idolises Jobs and even tries to emulate his keynote style, without much success I might add

Adrian1976 · 11 Jan 2025 at 17:33

Bidley said:
Nvidia already have your money

if I had a 4090 I wouldn't be upgrading either unless this generation is one in a million. I was amazed to see the amount of people with 4090s who were completely down to spend £2500 on a 5090 without any clue what the uplift would be. It's easy to say you're not upgrading when you already have the best and most expensive (for now) GPU.

I have 0 issues upgrading every gen if the bump is worth it but for me my goal is a minimum of 50-60% bump in raw power.

I guess some have lower expectations but that's just my 2 cents.

And I agree it's hard to believe some are even considering it at least those with 4090s but some have different use cases for it I am sure.

Adrian1976 · 11 Jan 2025 at 17:34

parisv said:
I think you might be the 200th 40 series owner that has said The jump for us 30 series owners is 100-120%.

Definitely worth it from a 30 series, I did upgrade from my 3080 to the 4090 as there was a big leap.

kute · 11 Jan 2025 at 17:37

20% uplift from 40X0 to 50X0 would be seen as disappointing I believe

30% and above would be viewed amicably

35%+ and everyone will be pretty pleased and all complaints will be related to stock and scalping issues imo

parisv · 11 Jan 2025 at 17:37

Adrian1976 said:
Definitely worth it from a 30 series, I did upgrade from my 3080 to the 4090 as there was a big leap.

it was only the 40 series that had the big jump. 10-20 20-30 didn't.

Adrian1976 · 11 Jan 2025 at 17:38

otester said:
4090/5090 is same node so you'll probably only see raster gains of ~30% unlike the much bigger 3090 to 4090 gains (~60%), 5090 to 6090 should be another large jump again as new node is expected.

If you have a 4090 I'd wait 2 years, or get a 5080 if you're on a lesser card.

Most definitely that's exactly what I intend to do depending on what route they go also, I do have reasonable limit on power though also which is 500w, They're getting silly.

Users moan about CPUs consuming 2-300w of juice but seem to be ok with a GPU consuming twice as much lol.