Give me sensibly priced 400Hz+ OLED gaming monitor and I might look at mfg again (as no way one can display that many FPS without it).For 165fps max I feel 0 need to use mfg.
So the problem is not on Nvidia's end?
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So the problem is not on Nvidia's end?
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Just goes from bad to worse each day hah.
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Just you wait and see what we will be discussing on the 23rd January, the day before the 5090 reviews are out. Probably what we all had for lunch or the last time we cut our toenails.
Which problem is it that you are referring to?
You are saying you would try mfg again of you had a higher hz monitor yes?
From my perspective, seems like the ideal time for a new monitor with the new DP2.1 standards meaning we can max out 240fps on an OLED with no DSC
I’ll be ordering the PG27UCDM as soon as that becomes available.
That and them doing better with vrr flicker issue. Not that it has been a big issue for me, but it still hould not be happening as the 34" Alienware before had very little after the firmware update for example.
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Every single OLED monitor has it to varying degrees as far as I am aware. The ASUS feature of limiting the VRR range helps a bit (you can do this manually in software if your monitor doesn't have this feature), but you may still experience flickering within the VRR range anyway. For example, inside in some buildings on Ghost of Tsushima I occasionally experience small amounts of flickering on my monitor, even with a fairly stable 140+fps. Thankfully, it isn't common in the games I play most.
As always with FG (and now MFG) it works well only for very high refresh rates with high input FPS. So, if I get over 100Hz FPS and I'm missing to 165 I do sometimes use FG in games that aren't latency sensitive. Same would be to achieve 400fps+You are saying you would try mfg again of you had a higher hz monitor yes?
It's not a must but since Nvidia can't design gaming GPU that can do 400fps in new games, at least that would be some way to see that number on such a monitor. In games where latency isn't that much of an issue. That said,a lot depends on the game and how it's implemented, as mentioned earlier.
I've not seem any vrr flickering since firmware updates happened for my monitor (after Alienware claimed for months it is not possible for end user to ever update firmware of gsync module and then they released updates
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On the 32in 4k 240hz QD OLED (and I believe WOLED) panels it is guaranteed, but to what extent varies by panel lottery.I've not seem any vrr flickering since firmware updates happened for my monitor (after Alienware claimed for months it is not possible for end user to ever update firmware of gsync module and then they released updates
What was the jump to the AM5 build like?
I have 5900X with a 3090, but think I'm sitting out this release and wait for the 60 series.
Feels like we are mid point for the next generational leap in actual games to move now.
GTA 6 will prob come with the 60 series card, so worth waiting a bit longer. I don't need the fake frames just yet.
Then 3090 to 6090 will be even more awsome and that £2k can be put in a S&P 500 Stocks n shares account for now. Then come 60 series, it should have grown for the difference they will place on top and help towards new full build.
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Yes all OLEDs have VRR flicker, all of them. It's the reason why I don''t turn on VRR any more, not needed with a higher end GPU as you don't have the lower end fps variance to need VRR to help smooth things out, and yes MFG won't fix that as the underlying base fps will still have a variance on the lower tier cards in heavy or unoptimised games causing VRR flicker in dark The latter affects all GPUs of course so games coming out with bad frametimes will show VRR flicker if gsync/freesync is on.scenes.
Will never happen, I use FG in certain games, neither of them need to be running at 450fpsAnd if not I can also enjoy your going from bigging up frame generation to saying it is no good now
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I had no issues going from AM4 (5900X + 3080) to AM5 (7800X3D + 4090). I suppose by the time i jumped on board the initial issues had been resolved. AM5 boot times are still no where close to AM4 with DDR4, but aside from that everything has been good for me.
I will probably upgrade for GTA 6 (could be quite possibly be 2027 on PC) even if i get a 5090. Want to be able to play it at 90-100fps at least
Well was thinking/hoping to get the 5080, but looking at the forecasted possible performance “increase” I’m unsure now.
For anyone like me coming from the higher mid-end like a 4070Ti Super I’m kinda of stuck in a middle ground. As the 5080 would possibly be a 20-30% jump maybe, with the same vram. But even the 9070XT is looking likely to match a 4070Ti so that’s not really an option.
The only viable way to upgrade is a used 4090, but to pay £1000+ for card well over 2 year old with no warranty just sounds insane.
For anyone like me coming from the higher mid-end like a 4070Ti Super I’m kinda of stuck in a middle ground. As the 5080 would possibly be a 20-30% jump maybe, with the same vram. But even the 9070XT is looking likely to match a 4070Ti so that’s not really an option.
The only viable way to upgrade is a used 4090, but to pay £1000+ for card well over 2 year old with no warranty just sounds insane.
As always with FG (and now MFG) it works well only for very high refresh rates with high input FPS. So, if I get over 100Hz FPS and I'm missing to 165 I do sometimes use FG in games that aren't latency sensitive. Same would be to achieve 400fps+
When you use 2x frame gen to get to 165 on your monitor, your base rate is actually dropping to around 82fps to stay within the monitors refresh rate (with vsync on). If you used MFG 4X to get to 165fps, the base rate will be only around 42fps which will not feel good at all.
Those who want 400fps in a game are usually playing competitively and require the lowest latency. MFG will not give that since at 400fps the base rate will be around 100fps.
2X frame gen should be the max you should use for any monitor less than 240Hz.
Will never happen, I use FG in certain games, neither of them need to be running at 450fps
How can we be sure though. You said you won't buy it then you will buy it, then you won't buy it
Also you yourself was super excited about maxing out your 240hz display