NVIDIA 5000 SERIES

[Tinek]

they really need to create somthing to counter the CPU Bottlenecking, I swear I saw somewhere where AMD CPU n GPU did somthing to stop this from happening, or am i thinking about sharing RAM to GPU? dunno

Unlike GPU running code, you often can't parallelize CPU software that well, it will always need very fast cores to speed things up and might be waiting for another bits to finish first before progressing etc. CPU also still process a lot of RT related bits before GPU gets its hands on it. All in all, GPUs they were able to speed up by just adding more CUDA (and AMD kind) cores and power, but they simply can't do that with CPUs and just speeding up single cores is already very hard.

 

[Tinek]

It's been a whole day now and I have decided that..... No changes are going to be made to my GPU situation, still

Same same, even if I was tempted for few minutes to sell 4090 for good monies there's no other GPU out there that I want or that I would consider better bang for buck. Seems we already got the sweet spot as is, so back to the waiting game for another generation.

 

[Grim5]

I'm CPU bottlenecked in quite a few games I play. Turns out hitting 240fps at 4k requires a monster CPU, who knew?!.

Plenty of people; even on this forum, you'll find plenty of posts suggesting that almost any CPU is fine for 4k high refresh gaming

 

[DizzyZ]

They are (want to be) the Apple of PC components with their ROG Strix line. I mentioned elsewhere last week that they would be the company to get closer to the 3k line than any other and it's currently holding true.

That makes absolutely no sense though ahah because Apple's main selling point is there ecosystem and software and Asus has... Armory crate?

 

[DizzyZ]

One of the biggest disappointments with the game for me - it would have been the perfect showcase for a proper ray tracing renderer, that and seeing how low quality a lot of the trees are if you look at them close up.

For sure, gameplay was super fun too, especially becoming basically stronger than voldemort and decimating tens of wizards with a single spell lol

 

[mrk]

Plenty of people; even on this forum, you'll find plenty of posts suggesting that almost any CPU is fine for 4k high refresh gaming

There is a baseline, at least a 12600K so yes that is true for modern gaming, but the comment you are referring to is in relation to games that run at 240fps at 4K, these are not ray traced games using UE5 or whatever obviously, and yes the higher the raw fps you go the more CPU bound you become as there's little GPU bias in those engines - It's more niche than common though of course.

 

[DizzyZ]

Same same, even if I was tempted for few minutes to sell 4090 for good monies there's no other GPU out there that I want or that I would consider better bang for buck. Seems we already got the sweet spot as is, so back to the waiting game for another generation.

Yup, I was also tempted, but then realised I'm not gonna partake in the clown games of buying a GPU at launch. For the past 3 generations, everytime I've tried to buy at launch I've been shoved in the queue waiting for months asking "what's my position sir" lol if you've got a 4090, there really is no point as you're not gonna get stock as it'll be scooped up by bots and you're a chump if you pay a scalper and the performance isn't that huge anyways

 

[hobib_ali]

ok Ive just watched a few videos from top end streamers, everyone one of them state the 5090 is a top end card, a GPU for gamers and professional users, the only scrutiny was:

Price: expensive vs the 3090 and 4090, AIB gonna be shocking
Power: On load one stream said their PC was drawing 800 watts just on gaming
Heat: more cores working equals more work which means way more heat, ooof summer days with no AC
Like for Like benching: on average it was ahead of the 4090 by 20-30% vs Nvidia claims

But there wasn't any major negativity like the previous series

anyone else not happy so far?

 

[Joxeon]

Same same, even if I was tempted for few minutes to sell 4090 for good monies there's no other GPU out there that I want or that I would consider better bang for buck. Seems we already got the sweet spot as is, so back to the waiting game for another generation.

As a few reviewers have pointed out the 5090 feels more like a 4090ti, sure it’s an improvement but at the cost of efficiency and price.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Nvidia ditches Blackwell early next year and moves to a new node as I doubt they can hang out on this 4nm node for another 2 years.

 

[Rroff]

Were in the age where CPUs now bottleneck GPUs at 4k

And no one can claim Steve from HUB did not predict this because he's been shouting from the roof tops, everytime someone claimed that testing CPus at 1080p was pointless, now those people who listened to Steve would have better performance at 4k on a 5090, and those who didn't listen will suffer from lower framerates at 4k as a result

Unfortunately, unless I missed it, they don't actually test with any other CPU to see what the bottleneck actually is (or at least see how much is CPU related), in a few cases the 4090 is actually doing slightly better under these bottlenecked situations which may indicate there is more at play than CPU.

 

[SuperElectric]

Sorry this post ended up a bit of a rant

To be honest I really don't understand the ongoing emphasis with the 'generation uplifts' and why that would materially impacts why anyone would want to buy one... or 'perceived value' of any card

The 40 series had the best generational uplifts ever, yup, and this is definitely a smaller uplift this time around ... but what I really care about is: (i) whether the juicy thing I'm buying is giving me enough juice, and (ii) whether the compromises are acceptable, the most obvious one being price then probably noise.

Yeah, I don't know what everyone is talking about either. More performance at the same price/performance is still good.

If you have anything slower than a 4080, then a 5090 is an insane upgrade.

If you have a 4090 or 4080 (super), then you barely lose any money selling your old card, and the 5090 is still a good upgrade.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

I would also normally say there's no such thing as a bad GPU, only bad pricing. But even if the 5090 was priced the same as 4090... the heat and power draw... yeah, I can see why folks are making Fermi comparisons.

Anyhow, the outlook is exactly what I expected, though surprisingly even ray-tracing and AI didn't get more than 30% average boost.

Now I look forward to the hilarious trainwreck of the 5080 reviews. As always, I'll be checking back here after to see who changed their minds about buying one

It's definitely power hungry but as for it running hot, until we see reviews of AIB cards it'll be hard to know just how bad that is and how much of it is just the 2 slot cooler (which seems good but it's an almost 600W card).
Drawing that much wattage it's not going to be a cool card is it, that heat has to go somewhere. The 4090 has a big power draw too. There was a time when 300W was probably considered high and hot.

 

[Grim5]

 

[Tinek]

Yup, I was also tempted, but then realised I'm not gonna partake in the clown games of buying a GPU at launch. For the past 3 generations, everytime I've tried to buy at launch I've been shoved in the queue waiting for months asking "what's my position sir" lol if you've got a 4090, there really is no point as you're not gonna get stock as it'll be scooped up by bots and you're a chump if you pay a scalper and the performance isn't that huge anyways

Oh, don't get me wrong here - I wasn't thinking about upgrading but downgrading if anything. As in, one would hope after few years downgrade would be possible to something cheaper and try almost as fast but no. There's nothing there and won't be this generation from either camp.

 

[Steve Bruce]

It's definitely power hungry but as for it running hot, until we see reviews of AIB cards it'll be hard to know just how bad that is and how much of it is just the 2 slot cooler (which seems good but it's an almost 600W card).
Drawing that much wattage it's not going to be a cool card is it, that heat has to go somewhere. The 4090 has a big power draw too. There was a time when 300W was probably considered high and hot.

On the FE my main worry would be it dumping its heat over the cpu and how it affects the cpu temps before exhausting out of the case.

I use a 360mm AIO so I'd hope it won't affect it too much if I where to get this card, but if I had a more traditional fan & heatsink, it may cause problems.

 

[SuperElectric]

Hardware unboxed average frame rate increase with 17 games over the 4090 at 1440p was 12%, at 4K this more than doubled to 27%. So yes, anything below 4K for these class of cards is pointless, it may as well be a CPU benchmark.

17 game average, 5090 over a 4090

At 1080p - a 2fps improvement, so identical.
At 1440p - 12% faster
At 2160P - 27% faster

You wouldn't know this unless someone tested it? You could guess, but you wouldn't know, big difference.

 

[Twinz]

Yeah, I don't know what everyone is talking about either. More performance at the same price/performance is still good.

If you have anything slower than a 4080, then a 5090 is an insane upgrade.

If you have a 4090 or 4080 (super), then you barely lose any money selling your old card, and the 5090 is still a good upgrade.

I guess it depends on your expectations.

It doesn't appear that Blackwell money is any faster than Ada money right now. That is a let down in my view.

Maybe that will happen further down the stack, but I'm not optimistic.