NVIDIA 5000 SERIES

[Rroff]

That could also be out of vram potato mode, that the Hogwarts engine reverts to cope with limitations

It is the same on all hardware, at least anything up to 24GB I doubt it is any different on a 5090.

 

[Raiden85]

You wouldn't know this unless someone tested it? You could guess, but you wouldn't know, big difference.

If spent £2000+ and only ran at 1080p and so no difference whatsoever I think I would notice, same for a crappy performance increase at 1440p.

 

[Nitefly]

this is one of the least impressive graphics card release I can think of in recent time. I think the 4000 series spoilt us with the performance over the 3000 series. The new 5090 is barely 30% faster that not good at all not for that crazy price of £2000+

Do you think the 40 series would be less good if the 30 series was better? (No need to answer - I’m just suggesting that, no, the 40 series was good because of its frames per £ was high).

I’d suggest that the 50 series becomes “not good at all” if they are pushing less frames per £.

If frames per £ is broadly equivalent, then it’s more of the same.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

this is one of the least impressive graphics card release I can think of in recent time. I think the 4000 series spoilt us with the performance over the 3000 series. The new 5090 is barely 30% faster that not good at all not for that crazy price of £2000+


basically, this sums up 400+ pages

The 40 series was rubbish value for most models. The RTX4070 was barely an uplift over the RTX3070TI. It was just over 40% uplift over a £369 RTX3060TI for £210 more. The RTX3060TI was 40% better than the RTX2060 Super for the same price.The RTX4060 and RTX4060TI were horrible improvements at between 10% to 20% better than the cards they replaced.

The RTX4070TI was only 20% to 25% faster than an RTX3080 which had a lower launch RRP.

 

[Born_2_Kill_83]

So

3090ti - 4090 60% average gains
3090 - 4090 73% average gains (my last upgrade)

4090 - 5090 27% average gains

I'm out

 

[TNA]

I was never going to spend £2k - 4K on a single peice of hardware.
From what I have read and watched this is going backwards for all I care.

It was only like 10 years ago people would slate a GPU with higher power requirements then previous generations AMD got slated a lot more than nvidia in this bracket.


Now people are happy to throw this amount of money at a 500w/600w even spiking to 900w

Wow... What ever happened to pushing the envelope on reducing power and gaining performance?

I guess we just live in mad times now.

That is my view on this generation.

Classic shanks. Everything becomes AMD not fair in your mind.

Not sure if you noticed but people like Nvidia a lot more mate. So it is to be expected?

Also, as still on the same manufacturing process this is not exactly a huge surprise considering they are all about AI these days.

Oh and have you seen the size of the die? It is huge.

Am I defending it? Nope. Just saying not exactly surprising.

End of the day it is the best gpu money can buy. Doesn't mean you have to. I certainly won't.

 

[scubes]

would love to see the look on the faces of the buyers when they see the price before they go live .im sure they will sell out like.

 

[Grim5]

first one I’ve seen with an intel cup
Charts looks way off compared to 9800x3d

Because the 5090 is bottlenecked at all resolutions and the intel 285k is a piece of crap so of course it's gonna suck

 

[scubes]

watching the keynote and Jensen says something the performance wouldnt be there without AI does that mean they have hit a brick wall ?and they have to rely on AI for all future speed increases ?

 

[Tinek]

That's because the usual deal was that 4k meant about 60fps, it was hard or impossible to have more. Or the display wouldn't be faster than 60hz. Getting 60fps isn't really hard, getting 150-200fps is.

Well, according to multiple benchmarks, 5090 has trouble reaching 60fps in I'm 4k native in multiple games, so it's still really not easy, is it?

 

[harmattan]

The 40 series was rubbish value for most models. The RTX4070 was barely an uplift over the RTX3070TI. It was just over 40% uplift over a £369 RTX3060TI for £210 more. The RTX3060TI was 40% better than the RTX2060 Super for the same price.The RTX4060 and RTX4060TI were horrible improvements at between 10% to 20% better

The RTX4070TI was only 20% to 25% faster than an RTX3080 which had a lower launch RRP.

That's what people are forgetting: the price/performance of the 4-series was categorically bad.

We've been on this march towards paying more for less improvement for three generations now, people are looking back at the 4-series with rose-tinted glasses. The situation as it stands with 5090 is the price/performance ratio is completely flat gen on gen. £500-600/30% more in cost over 4090 -- because this is what 5090 street price will be -- for 30% improvement.

With 5090, we're basically buying a bigger bottle of Coke with none of the expected discount. The derision around it being 4090 Ti is highly apt.

 

[Tinek]

this is one of the least impressive graphics card release I can think of in recent time. I think the 4000 series spoilt us with the performance over the 3000 series. The new 5090 is barely 30% faster that not good at all not for that crazy price of £2000+


basically, this sums up 400+ pages

They made 4090 just too good Also, 4000 series was apparently (judging from what Nvidia CEO repeats often) the last series they has still ways to squeeze more performance out of it. Makes me wonder how would 3k series perform if done by tsmc, though.

 

[cliffy]

watching the keynote and Jensen says something the performance wouldnt be there without AI does that mean they have hit a brick wall ?and they have to rely on AI for all future speed increases ?

Not entirely but AI will be major factor. Fake Frames are here to stay with Nvidia aiming for 16X Fake frames.

 

[Tinek]

Yes Optimum and Daniel Owen were both impressed enough, even with the visual artifacts to say they'd use it for single player games over a lower frame rate.

Daniel said very clearly multiple times that he still thinks this is only for high refresh monitors, 240Hz+, as with low FPS it's revealing all kinds of glitches and issues. Generally, same as standard FG has always been, nothing changed in the regard.

 

[Hostile_18]

Power scaling testing from Computerbase

Using undervolting to cap consumption, performance measured across 20 games at 4K

With both the 4090 and 5090 limited to 450w, the 5090 is 16% faster.

With both the 4090 and 5090 limited to 400w, the 5090 is 5% faster

Nvidia GeForce RTX 5090 im Test: DLSS 4 MFG trifft 575 Watt: RTX 5090 vs. RTX 4090 bei gleicher TDP und RTX 5090 OC

Nvidia GeForce RTX 5090 im Test: RTX 5090 vs. RTX 4090 bei gleicher TDP und RTX 5090 OC / RTX 5090 vs. RTX 4090 bei 450 Watt

www.computerbase.de

Dosnt seem no where near as good as the 4090 which could be put to 70% and suffer virtually no performance loss.

 

[Tinek]

watching the keynote and Jensen says something the performance wouldnt be there without AI does that mean they have hit a brick wall ?and they have to rely on AI for all future speed increases ?

Jensen has been saying exactly that for many many months now in various interviews. A lot of people decided to ignore it and still do. To paraphrase what he says, GPUs are done, can't be made faster anymore, only AI can help. This is consistent with what their VP of AI said too in recent video - making GPUs faster is really hard, they don't scale up well anymore, hence AI is the only way forward.

This sets up expectations for 6k series it seems.

 

[Grim5]

Dosnt seem no where near as good as the 4090 which could be put to 70% and suffer virtually no performance loss.

Those cores are power hungry

 

[Nitefly]

Daniel said very clearly multiple times that he still thinks this is only for high refresh monitors, 240Hz+, as with low FPS it's revealing all kinds of glitches and issues. Generally, same as standard FG has always been, nothing changed in the regard.

My impression was that it’s now more useable than before as the ‘it adds latency’ issues that plagued the DLSS3 implementation have been largely resolved… but yes, it still really ought to have high base FPS and therefore to make use of the MFG you’re going to want to be pushing at least 60fps native and have a 240hz monitor. Even then, 80fps native + 3x FG or 120fps native + 2x FG are probably better options than 4x FG…. Until higher refresh 4k monitors show up.

 

[Hostile_18]

Those cores are power hungry

Leaning more to the 5080 with max of 320tdp and super quiet fans tbh!

 

[Tinek]

That's what people are forgetting: the price/performance of the 4-series was categorically bad.

We've been on this march towards paying more for less improvement for three generations now, people are looking back at the 4-series with rose-tinted glasses. The situation as it stands with 5090 is the price/performance ratio is completely flat gen on gen. £500-600/30% more in cost over 4090 -- because this is what 5090 street price will be -- for 30% improvement.

With 5090, we're basically buying a bigger bottle of Coke with none of the expected discount. The derision around it being 4090 Ti is highly apt.

I think (judging by myself) most people are really just talking about 4090 as the good price/performance card - it was expensive but not more than 3090Ti and blew it out if the water. The other 4k series cards were mediocre at best in that regard, but this is why Nvidia likes to push high end card into the market, as people remember halo products mostly.