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NVIDIA 5000 SERIES

A lot of posters in this thread that don’t get that I am not giving off at them for upgrading from a 3000 to a 5000 series. I am just pointing out that the 5000 series is nowhere near the usual Nvidia uplift.

It’s not about hindsight, or trying to upset anyone. It’s just pointing out the facts.
 
Tinek said:
Without negating the improvement in any way, it's still far from perfect, even if improved a lot. That said, also I had to for years read how DLSS 2 (and then DLSS 3) is better than native 4k with quality, which has always been a total rubbish. And even DLSS 4 still isn't - as now most reviewers started to finally show all kinds of problems when comparing both models, that were present in previous one, including NVIDIA themselves. :)
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The irony is not lost on some of us.
 
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AthlonXP1800 said:
wccftech.com

NVIDIA Blackwell GB202 GPU & GDDR7 Memory Pictured In Beautiful Die Shots, ASUS GeForce RTX 5090 Astral Overclocked To 3.4 GHz With LN2 & Consumes Almost 1000W

ASUS has posted high-res die shots of the GeForce RTX 5090's Blackwell GB202 GPU, the GDDR7 memory & also some fantastic overclocked results.
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ASUS RTX 5090 Astral GPU overclocked to 3.4GHz and memory overclocked to 34Gbps on LN2, graphic card power consumption 1000W and whole system power consumption 1800W. :eek:
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Try that in America without blowing up the house.
 
ICDP said:
A lot of posters in this thread that don’t get that I am not giving off at them for upgrading from a 3000 to a 5000 series. I am just pointing out that the 5000 series is nowhere near the usual Nvidia uplift.

It’s not about hindsight, or trying to upset anyone. It’s just pointing out the facts.
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I think most understand. We just got to get to 100k posts before launch.
We do 25k and Nvidea will fake the rest.

Having spent silly money on the 3090 and the 4090 smashing it not long after. I did indeed hold off, thinking I would wait for the 5 series and get a monumental upgrade.
All they really did was give us a 4090TI and slap some fancy A.I. on to the card.

I'm sure they could give the 30 series a lot better software upgrade, but they choose to run like a business with no competition.
Worked for Apple for a long time.

It is strange to consider from a 3090 a used 4090 or 4080 super, when indeed we could have had this a long time ago.
Not everyone wants to spend 2k and the 90 series was always kind of for the enthusiast willing to pay a premium for just a little bit more. The rest got a 80 or 80TI.
Now the 80 card seems to be pitched as mid tier with just the locked software upgrades and the moniker 'A.I.' and fake frames that some will refuse to use.

Anyways, I'm enjoying the conversations, so keep going. I'm sure in the future with A.I., Internet speeds etc, they could go monthly subscription and no need for Hardware and we would all get the very best as an when they decided. Not until we have all been gouged a bit more though.

See you in a few more thousand messages when I can muster up another wall of waffle
Peace n love and enjoy the weekend everyone
 
markymoo said:
I think most understand. We just got to get to 100k posts before launch.
We do 25k and Nvidea will fake the rest.

Having spent silly money on the 3090 and the 4090 smashing it not long after. I did indeed hold off, thinking I would wait for the 5 series and get a monumental upgrade.
All they really did was give us a 4090TI and slap some fancy A.I. on to the card.

I'm sure they could give the 30 series a lot better software upgrade, but they choose to run like a business with no competition.
Worked for Apple for a long time.

It is strange to consider from a 3090 a used 4090 or 4080 super, when indeed we could have had this a long time ago.
Not everyone wants to spend 2k and the 90 series was always kind of for the enthusiast willing to pay a premium for just a little bit more. The rest got a 80 or 80TI.
Now the 80 card seems to be pitched as mid tier with just the locked software upgrades and the moniker 'A.I.' and fake frames that some will refuse to use.

Anyways, I'm enjoying the conversations, so keep going. I'm sure in the future with A.I., Internet speeds etc, they could go monthly subscription and no need for Hardware and we would all get the very best as an when they decided. Not until we have all been gouged a bit more though.

See you in a few more thousand messages when I can muster up another wall of waffle
Peace n love and enjoy the weekend everyone
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What....? :confused:
 
ICDP said:
Disagree all you want. It won’t change the fact the 5000 series have a very mediocre uplift compared to the 4000 series. So the “uplift” you waited an extra 2 + years for is something you could have already experienced for the past few years.
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ICDP said:
Now point to where I said it was less significant, rather than just pointing out that the fact upgrading from a lower end GPU doesn’t magically make the 5000 series an any better.
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With apologies for the wall of text :o

Hmm, I think you’re talking cross-purposes here. People with 30 series cards are just saying that are looking forward to the massive upgrade they will get and that it’s an exciting purchase for them. I know you said you weren’t picking on those two initial people specifically, but commenting about people’s buying choices as you did makes it sound like you think:

(1) people don’t upgrade based on how the prospective upgrade actually compares to their perceived value what they actually already own <- when they do.
(2) everyone has had full knowledge of what is to come in technology progress <- when nobody does; and
(3) people live in a vacuum <- when they have to ‘deal with life’.

I doubt that’s what you ACTUALLY think in entirity, but that’s how it may have come across to a few of us, hence @ne0 responding.

Sure, 3090 -> 4090 = great performance upgrade in terms of %. However, if at 4090 launch:

(I) you were happy with a 30 series card;
(II) didn't have the cash to spare (4090 is expensive);
(III) weren’t into gaming at the time; or
(IV) [insert one of unlimited rational reasons concerning life / circumstances]

you might have thought - “nah, not for me at this time!”. Or you might have not even been aware of it!

^^^ it’s worth nothing that nobody has had a scooby about how the 20, 30 or 40 series would turn out until launch details were released + reviews. The 3080 is still probably the best bang for buck card ever (still a good card). Meanwhile, the prevailing rumour in December was that the 50 cards were going to be most expensive ever by a very wide margin (5090 = $2,500 based on the spec sheet).

So now the 50 series comes out, 30 series peeps are excited to upgrade thinking “hmm, for [insert one of infinite reasonable reasons], I think I’d like to upgrade this time!” and you effectively swan in with your delorean and sports almanac ( :p ) saying “hey, you could have upgraded sooner and got a similar uplift in performance” and “the % increase is poor so the product isn’t good / worth it / disappointing - so there is nothing to be pleased about.” This disregards how people have arrived in that position in the first place, whether through chance or choice. Plus, even if people were considering per gen increase as part of their decision making, how could anyone ever know the difference between the 40 and 50 series at that time…? Not without an almanac.

How @ne0 described his upgrade path makes sense to me… but it doesn’t need to. It just needs to make sense to him.

IMHO the only thing that materially matters is whether the £ / frame is worse with the 50 series than before. It’s not. If anything as per the leaked benchmarks that @mrk shared the 5080 is better performance per £ than the 4090 (see the posts earlier today). But I expect it’ll end up broadly the same.

In closing, I think that the cross gen comparisons are interesting for seeing how tech is developing (more improvements = more exciting!) but it’s pointless for actual purchasing decisions, unless you actually know all uplifts in advance… which nobody does.

Put it this way, the 4090 - a great card - wouldn’t suddenly become a ‘worse card’ if the 30 series was better and there was a worse generational uplift. Instead, I’d rather suggest that it’s a good card on its own merits because of the decent performance / £ ratio.

It is disappointing though that the 5080 series won’t beat the 4090 - I’m with you on that.
 
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ICDP said:
A lot of posters in this thread that don’t get that I am not giving off at them for upgrading from a 3000 to a 5000 series. I am just pointing out that the 5000 series is nowhere near the usual Nvidia uplift.

It’s not about hindsight, or trying to upset anyone. It’s just pointing out the facts.
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27% uplift is not great by any stretch of the imagination, I think its one of the lowest ever from one gen gpu to another that I can recall, Nvidia wanted to make 5090 even more impressive than it is by deliberately making the 5080 uplift very little compared to 4080, this makes the performance gap from 5080 to 5090 much more than 4080 to 4090. This way they can say hey £2000 you get something much faster 5080.

They will likely release a 5080ti which should be similar to 4090 performance or little slower but most likely priced similar to 4090 too.

its one of the worst times In gpu history to buy, inflated prices, performance stagnation in the respective price bands and very little competition In the market. Maybe the 9070XT might bring some relief with good performance to price ratio but who knows with AMD as their pricing is not a art they have perfected.
 
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I guess thats why amd pulled out the top end race this time as they can’t squeeze much more out of 4nm. Nvidia have worked on it for a year two and this is what they have come up with. I have a feeling nvidia won’t bother with a 50 series and go straight to 60 on 3nm as tsmc are 6 months ahead of schedule.
 
parisv said:
I guess thats why amd pulled out the top end race this time as they can’t squeeze much more out of 4nm. Nvidia have worked on it for a year two and this is what they have come up with. I have a feeling nvidia won’t bother with a 50 series and go straight to 60 on 3nm as tsmc are 6 months ahead of schedule.
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I think their chiplet GPU architecture wasn't quite up to scratch and needed more time in the oven. They didn't really push it very far on the 7000 series and I think they bailed on it. I wonder if the 60 series (or at least the 6080 and 6090) will use chiplets.
 
Absolutely Clueless said:
I think their chiplet GPU architecture wasn't quite up to scratch and needed more time in the oven. They didn't really push it very far on the 7000 series and I think they bailed on it. I wonder if the 60 series (or at least the 6080 and 6090) will use chiplets.
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amd have said will launch a flagship with udna so at least there should be some competition for The 60 series
 
ne0 said:
The 5080 comes at a perfect time for 30 series owners to upgrade. It's far cheaper than both 4080 and 4090 were at launch.

30 series owners upgrading to 5080 for £1k are getting big upgrade for a relatively good price and even from a 3090 it's a very decent upgrade. Plus you get the AI goodies as a Brucey bonus.
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Completely agree. As someone that has to replace a 4090 as it’s being given to my son, my only option other than a downgrade is a 5090, of which I hope to be able to buy a FE.

If they can make a tidy profit on a 5080 and the stack below, they could sell the 5090 for considerably less. No competition and greed prevents that but they haven’t made the same mistake with the 5080 as they did the 4080, IMO.

5080 is a good upgrade for <£1K in the current climate, assuming you can get a FE. Just gutted personally that I’ve got to pay double that to only slightly better my current card.

Life is too short to worry about it though.
 
parisv said:
I guess thats why amd pulled out the top end race this time as they can’t squeeze much more out of 4nm. Nvidia have worked on it for a year two and this is what they have come up with. I have a feeling nvidia won’t bother with a 50 series and go straight to 60 on 3nm as tsmc are 6 months ahead of schedule.
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While Nvidia was probably limited in terms of what they could bring with the 5090 the other cards could have definitely been much better had they chose to also increase the die sizes, a 525mm2 15000 cuda 5080, 12000 cuda for a 5070ti and 330mm2 9000 cuda for a 5070 could have been very good cards and with the 4nm node being very mature now and not the bleeding edge I doubt it would have cost Nvidia anymore than last gen.
 
I've set my eyes on getting an MSI Suprim or Liquid now, hope enough are available to snap up one if I'm quick. After seeing all the reviews and board breakdowns.
 
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