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NVIDIA 5000 SERIES

Nobody is talking about the hazards now with all these sections of components blasting out such temps...

And people thought they were safe from their GPU burning down the house with a new generation and 'fixed' connectors, I'm looking forward to stories of melted connectors again :cry:

7900XTX going for £900+ on OCUK still, and zero 4080s or 4090s.

There are other retailers obviously. Though admittedly the great deals on current gen GPUs have dried up months ago, that was the time to buy.
Admittedly, everyone was holding off to wait for better price/performance with new launches, nobody could have predicted that:
a) The new options at sub £1k would be lackluster performance increase
b) Prices of existing GPUs would shoot up so soon before the new launches, due to a combination of factors, making them less of an alternative option.

I've found it suspiciously intriguing, how all the existing gen GPUs have shot up in price close to the new launches.
Some claim it's due to low stock, but even and especially AMD GPUs have gone up significantly too.
Very similar to how 7800X3D shot up before 9800X3D launched.

Still my point is, it is possible to find 7900XTX for well under £800 right now. If a 5080 is 25% faster (or less) than a 7900XTX, especially if the 7900XTX is close, the AMD option might be a better buy. Plus, more importantly, the 7900XTX has 50% more VRAM, helping it last a bit longer for high resolution games, till the next upgrade.
The only other options with higher than 16GB VRAM are 4090/5090.
 
The whole ‘retained value’ thing only really works if you are flipping gen-to-gen (selling a 40 series to get a 50 series), either before or around the time of release of a new card. Clearly it’s a legit strategy, with success depending on how well the new gen is hyped / received / looks on the spec sheet.

Once the 60 series is out and makes the 40 (+ 50?) series look like a pipsqueak(s), the resale value will be massively reduced.

Hence my confusion with some sentiments each upgrade cycle (not just this one) of “I will be keeping my current card - not worth the upgrade and my own card will retain its value” - if you are keeping the card, it will be totally outclassed and have a reduced resale value by the time you actually sell it… so then you won’t be getting any real benefit of ‘retained value’…? You can’t keep the card and get the benefit of optimum resale value - pick a lane :p
 
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I think my logic is, if you had over a grand to spend on 4090 like performance, you would have spent it already… on a 4090.

If you have over £1500 to spend on a GPU, you may as well either hold out for a 5090, instead of using it for a used GPU that is barely (10% - 15%) faster than a brand new £1000ish GPU.
I totally follow your logic here. Furthermore, given we are now seeing a pattern (two gens in a row) where the 80 class card is tremendously cut down in every way, it's a signal that the 90 class is going to be far more likely to hold its value as well.

If I was Nvidia, I would not release a 5080 TI with more VRAM, I would maintain the distance between it and the 90 card, ensuring planned obsolescence for the 5080 and also making it easier to offer another cut down 6080 in the future.
People buying in at the top end will tend to want as much VRAM as possible. There's just no contest when comparing 16GB to 32GB.

TL;DR, 5090 is likely to hold its value, adding further to the argument that if you are going to spend over a grand, you may as well go the whole hog and buy the 5090. The more you spend lol
 
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This is why a used card puts me off somewhat.
I would be mortified if I sold my 3090 at a £1500 loss, to pay around £1400 on a used 4090 and it melt. Almost £3k and would be left with having to buy a new card.
Would almost be £5k in this scenario.

This is the problem when ~£1600 - £2000 GPUs become normalised. At some point the values of these GPUs plummet and people either accept they were part of the problem that created this reality and stop paying these prices. Or they accept their £1600 GPU will be practically worthless in four or 5 years.
 
Have you really been "waiting" though? What couldn't your 30 series do over the last 4 years that had you so desperate to upgrade all this time?

The way I see it is right here and NOW I'm ready to upgrade and looking at all the options NOW, the 5080 makes the most sense in terms of price /performance.

All this 40 Vs 50 series negativity is irrelevant to my personal circumstances and I just want to be excited about upgrading to a card that is significantly more powerful than the one I have.
Semantics - no I've not been "waiting" but the fact is that that performance increase with the same VRAM is poor. See the context in my post that you've removed.

I'm also looking at all the options NOW. And NOW a used £800 4080 Super is a better deal in terms of price/performance than a new 5080, if prices for an AIB are about a £200 premium over MSRP.

I wanted to be excited too, but that was dashed when the early leaks came out about a month ago with the 16gb VRAM. I'm not criticising you, I'm criticising Nvidia.
 
I totally follow your logic here. Furthermore, given we are now seeing a pattern (two gens in a row) where the 80 class card is tremendously cut down in every way, it's a signal that the 90 class is going to be far more likely to hold its value as well.

If I was Nvidia, I would not release a 5080 TI with more VRAM, I would maintain the distance between it and the 90 card, ensuring planned obsolescence for the 5080 and also making it easier to offer another cut down 6080 in the future.
People buying in at the top end will tend to want as much VRAM as possible. There's just no contest when comparing 16GB to 32GB.

TL;DR, 5090 is likely to hold its value, adding further to the argument that if you are going to spend over a grand, you may as well go the whole hog and buy the 5090. The more you spend lol

Well apart from the retain their value part, I agree. As Nitefly posted above, no GPU retains its value once you commit to a bigger upgrade timeframe. Keeping a 5090 until the 7090 comes out and expecting it to retain its value is just not remotely logical.
 
Semantics - no I've not been "waiting" but the fact is that that performance increase with the same VRAM is poor. See the context in my post that you've removed.

I'm also looking at all the options NOW. And NOW a used £800 4080 Super is a better deal in terms of price/performance than a new 5080, if prices for an AIB are about a £200 premium over MSRP.

I wanted to be excited too, but that was dashed when the early leaks came out about a month ago with the 16gb VRAM. I'm not criticising you, I'm criticising Nvidia.
This.

The lack of increased VRAM in the 80 class in particular is why I too am looking at a 4080.
My problem is that I want it for my living room SFF and there's literally only one 4080 AIB that will fit in the case. One of the few (only?) positives of the 50 series is the dual-slot, 304mm length form factor for the FE models.
 
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With flagship GPUs now seeing a tripling in price over the past 8 years how likely is that by 2033 a flagship card will be around $5000-6000?
 
Try that in America without blowing up the house.
I used to live in a house in NYC pretty standard brownstone, where I mined on a PC with dual 5870s that probably pulled 550w full load. The fuse box was set with 30a fuses which would often blow any time I used a kitchen appliance and the rig was runnung. Literally, I'd have to trudge down to an ancient basement and replace them one by one. This was pretty standard for many houses in the US.
 
Well apart from the retain their value part, I agree. As Nitefly posted above, no GPU retains its value once you commit to a bigger upgrade timeframe. Keeping a 5090 until the 7090 comes out and expecting it to retain its value is just not remotely logical.
If prices remain static, then sure. But how much will the 6090 be? How much will the 7090 be? etc
 
5080 gets benched in Time Spy, the score is 20% under my 4090


There is also Open CL and Vulkun tests from Geekbench and those are up to 27% less than my 4090

Needs direct like for like timespy comparable as CPU can impact timespy.

I think these results are all over the place tbh on geekbench:

Geekbench Vulkan:

5080 - 261,836 (100%) <- taken from Tech Power Up
4090 - 267,298 (102%)
5090 - 363,602 (144%)

Geekbench Open CL:

5080 - 260,803 (100%)
4090 - 317,378 (121%)
5090 - 375,439 (144%)

Blender:

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But! Let's see how this will all map out to gaming / FPS :)

Bottom line though, it’s seemingly very unlikely that 5080 will outperform 4090 which is disappointing on the whole ‘gen by gen’ uplift basis. Not quite clear by how much, yet.
 
Oh, and I had a little session on Cyberpunk earlier with the new patch.

Transformer model DLSS on performance... I think it looks better? Granted I'm playing at 3440x1440 which isn't kind on that level of upscaling to begin with.

Ray Reconstruction is still unusable. Wake me up when they manage to stop the walls from moving.

I’ve found you need to be rendering at 1080p minimum (so 0.75 at 1440p I think) to eliminate ghosting from RR and get the best out of the new model but the current version of DLSS Tweaker is broken with the Transformer model sadly (so can’t tweak the render scaling).
 
When the 60 series comes out I think the 50's won't hold much resale value.
I agree, especially if the 6000 series is launched on a a new node. It'll be like the 3090 situation all over again ... resale value dropped a lot upon the release of the 4080/4090. It'll be an even bigger margin next time given the rising price of GPUs.
 
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