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NVIDIA 5000 SERIES

Nitefly said:
The whole ‘retained value’ thing only really works if you are flipping gen-to-gen (selling a 40 series to get a 50 series), either before or around the time of release of a new card. Clearly it’s a legit strategy, with success depending on how well the new gen is hyped / received / looks on the spec sheet.

Once the 60 series is out and makes the 40 (+ 50?) series look like a pipsqueak(s), the resale value will be massively reduced.

Hence my confusion with some sentiments each upgrade cycle (not just this one) of “I will be keeping my current card - not worth the upgrade and my own card will retain its value” - if you are keeping the card, it will be totally outclassed and have a reduced resale value by the time you actually sell it… so then you won’t be getting any real benefit of ‘retained value’…? You can’t keep the card and get the benefit of optimum resale value - pick a lane :p
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The man maths side of me is saying, 'buy a 5090 and sell your 4090, otherwise your 4090 will be worth £500 when the 6090 launches'. A moot point if supply is non-existent I suppose.
 
xaldub said:
I agree, especially if the 6000 series is launched on a a new node. It'll be like the 3090 situation all over again ... resale value dropped a lot upon the release of the 4080/4090. It'll be an even bigger margin next time given the rising price of GPUs.
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Also agree. The 5090 certainly won't hold as well as the 4090 is at the moment if the performance increase is 45-50% on the new node. Having said that, 4nm to 3nm (I doubt it will be 2nm) isn't a massive step forward, so who knows.
 
xaldub said:
I agree, especially if the 6000 series is launched on a a new node. It'll be like the 3090 situation all over again ... resale value dropped a lot upon the release of the 4080/4090. It'll be an even bigger margin next time given the rising price of GPUs.
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When I sold my 3090 because I had bought a 4090 at launch, I got 25% of the original value. Rtx4000 killed the 3090's value. However right now the highest offer I've received for my 4090 is 68% of its original value, so clearly rtx5000 has not had the same effect
 
opethdisciple said:
Clearly the next frontier for AI generated fps is not to give us more fps when we already have a good frame rate (due to latency), but to give us more frames when we are struggling to generate the frames in the first place.

That's what we want.
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That doesn't seem to be the plan judging by everything that Nvidia said so far. More AI, not more performance, they said so far about the future.
 
cliffy said:
Latest rumors out yesterday so NO high end UDNA part either and that teh desktop parts will be Monolithic from AMD not Chiplets
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Chiplets can lower the cost to produce high end parts (CPUs and GPUs) but at the same time always introduce latency. And increase power use. They make good sense in CPUs where latency isn't as relevant but I'm GPUs they still have too many downsides as AMD admitted, hence back to monoliths it is for the time being.
 
Absolutely Clueless said:
Also agree. The 5090 certainly won't hold as well as the 4090 is at the moment if the performance increase is 45-50% on the new node. Having said that, 4nm to 3nm (I doubt it will be 2nm) isn't a massive step forward, so who knows.
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"4N" is actually 5nm. Lovelace and Blackwell use 5nm.

The 5090 will drop but it won't be massive IMO. Even if you lose a third of its RRP over two years, that's not terrible for two years use.
 
Nitefly said:
The whole ‘retained value’ thing only really works if you are flipping gen-to-gen (selling a 40 series to get a 50 series), either before or around the time of release of a new card. Clearly it’s a legit strategy, with success depending on how well the new gen is hyped / received / looks on the spec sheet.

Once the 60 series is out and makes the 40 (+ 50?) series look like a pipsqueak(s), the resale value will be massively reduced.

Hence my confusion with some sentiments each upgrade cycle (not just this one) of “I will be keeping my current card - not worth the upgrade and my own card will retain its value” - if you are keeping the card, it will be totally outclassed and have a reduced resale value by the time you actually sell it… so then you won’t be getting any real benefit of ‘retained value’…? You can’t keep the card and get the benefit of optimum resale value - pick a lane :p
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The whole flipping gen to gen benefits Nvidia the most and helps them constantly push up prices which is in part why second hand prices are not collapsing as they used to.
 
Joxeon said:
The whole flipping gen to gen benefits Nvidia the most and helps them constantly push up prices which is in part why second hand prices are not collapsing as they used to.
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Wouldn't that push half your audience to buy second hand, which would reduce your revenue though?
 
StarShock said:
To be fair to them the 5000 series are better than the 4000, just not by very much. So coming from a long way back it can be a good upgrade. Just not an exciting one for those looking in from the sidelines.
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Well, price/performance ratio didn't really change, so they're not worse but also not better. They're just the same, generally speaking - like a Ti Super version. Same vRAM, same price per frame, same capabilities. Just newer models of the same stuff. If someone was late for 4k series they can just get 5k for the same price with barely better performance.

Generally, people expected better and it is what it is - a nothingburger. If Nvidia didn't release this version, nothing much would've changed for anyone - so there's nothing much to be positive about 5k series so far. And only negative reaction can put pressure on the vendor to do better next time - if not with performance, then at least with prices going down, not up.
 
Hostile_18 said:
Wouldn't that push half your audience to buy second hand, which would reduce your revenue though?
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There are people who always buy 2nd hand and those that prefer to buy new, with warranty etc., I don't think there's a massive swathe of people who flip from one to the other. Gaming GPU supply has been so constrained that new cards have basically been at retailer-scalped prices and 2nd hand have been at MSRP, so if Nvidia are selling every card they make I don't think they really care what's going on in 2nd hand world.

Mostly it's not even gamers buying GPU's anymore, at the high end anyway.
 
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mahius said:
Admittedly, everyone was holding off to wait for better price/performance with new launches, nobody could have predicted that:
a) The new options at sub £1k would be lackluster performance increase
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What? Nvidia CEO was saying over and over again over many months that one shouldn't expect GPUs to be much faster anymore, only AI can save the progress. Yes, some hoped for the better but he really wasn't joking - we got exactly what he said we would get, barely any faster GPUs with more AI.
 
Grim5 said:
When I sold my 3090 because I had bought a 4090 at launch, I got 25% of the original value. Rtx4000 killed the 3090's value. However right now the highest offer I've received for my 4090 is 68% of its original value, so clearly rtx5000 has not had the same effect
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Once I got my 4090FE a week after launch, I sold my 3090FE on the MM for 50% of its purchase price. You could have done better TBH.
 
I'm on a 3080 and I don't have £2000 to spend on a GPU. I don't play enough, my wife would kill me and that money can go towards the house/a new car. But the uplift from a 3080 to 5080 is going to be 70% plus. 50%(for a 4080S) x15%(5080). I get to keep my ancient G-Sync monitor and play on my LG 4k TV too. If I can snag an FE whilst not great value it's definitely the best one open to me. If they do release a Ti it'll be £1400. Who knows what 3nm will bring? I'm sure it won't be massive price/performance boost. It might bring more profits to Nvidia shareholders...
 
Grim5 said:
When I sold my 3090 because I had bought a 4090 at launch, I got 25% of the original value. Rtx4000 killed the 3090's value. However right now the highest offer I've received for my 4090 is 68% of its original value, so clearly rtx5000 has not had the same effect
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Yeah, because the 4090 was a big jump up in performance. The 5090 is more like a 4090ti but also a big jump in price, so there's no reason for 4090'ers to get one really.

I was thinking to get a 5090, but looking at the price/performance, I'll try to get a 5080 on launch day and if I miss out I'll be keeping an eye on 4090 used prices.

I'm currently on a 3080. Not looking to sell either as it'll go in my sons machine.

If I can get a 4090 for about £1300 with warranty then I'll do that.
 
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Grim5 said:
5080 gets benched in Time Spy, the score is 20% under my 4090
(...)

There is also Open CL and Vulkun tests from Geekbench and those are up to 27% less than my 4090
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I really don't know why so many people seem surprised or expect different results in raster when seeing exact specs? Raster uses cuda cores, these have not changed between 4k and 5k series and 5080 has considerably less of them than 4090 plus also less other raster components and lower boost clocks to that plus lower power use on same node. That's the only way this could've ended up, no? The only improvements are in AI performance and in RT cores - neither behind used in Time Spy. There might be edge cases where that alone will give 5080 advantage under 4090 but edge cases don't matter for general use.
 
Read a review of a 4080/super and add on +15%. Then compare that to the 5090 if you are stuck between the two.

I see the partner models are genuinely better engineered this time around (because Nvidia has focused on two slot) and have tangible FPS gains which helps at this price point.
 
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