NVIDIA 5000 SERIES

[Hostile_18]

For the first time in a long time.. since the 780ti I think, I am going to sit this one out. The heat on the FE around the memory bridge and the ridiculous stock situation on the AIBs make this not a great launch for me. I am also sure the 4090 raster improvements were better than the 3090 by a fair margin. It feels like they have a 5090ti waiting to come out at some point.. if not I will just eek more usage out of my 4090. With us getting DLSS 4.0 anyway we get a lot of the benefits of the 5 series, plus their tech makes native 4k meaningless. Can someone convince me otherwise please.. I don't want to be like cr*ck addict on launch day refreshing to buy one at the last minute

I very much doubt a 5090ti personally. They have maxed out everything on the 5nm node, there is no room on the power side without a second connector (which would be madness). Throwing cores and bandwidth at it is giving significantly less and less performance gain.

5080ti I could totally see happening though. Not sure about the vram though as others, as that would lessen demand for the 5090.

 

[Octoplex7]

I think your under estimating the 5090 resale value substantially. It will still have 32gb of vram, still be amazing for AI and almost certainly the 60 series will have months of supply issues and expensive on launch. Nvidia never really gives performance for free anymore and AMD are too far behind to be a threat at the top end.

100% this. That 32GB of VRAM and its AI capabilities mean that it is already worth more than its RRP. The demand for them will be huge, as will the continued demand for the 4090, with its 24GB of VRAM.
6090 is very probably going to be even more expensive, have similar kinds of availability/demand and the 5090 will be phased out by the time it launches.
Nvidia have honed this process and are min/maxing their profits.
Like the 4090 before it, the 5090 will end up being a good investment to those who can pick one up at or around the RRP.

 

[Octoplex7]

I very much doubt a 5090ti personally. They have maxed out everything on the 5nm node, there is no room on the power side without a second connector (which would be madness). Throwing cores and bandwidth at it is giving significantly less and less performance gain.

5080ti I could totally see happening though. Not sure about the vram though as others, as that would lessen demand for the 5090.

A prototype of the RTX 5090 Ti just got leaked

The RTX 5090 from Nvidia is not yet on sale, but the full version of the graphics processor is already appearing on the internet. With 800 watts of power dissipation and 24,576 shader units, the GPU is beyond good and evil.

www.pcworld.com

Yep. Not going to be an 5090TI without being able to plug it directly in to the sun.

 

[Hostile_18]

A prototype of the RTX 5090 Ti just got leaked

The RTX 5090 from Nvidia is not yet on sale, but the full version of the graphics processor is already appearing on the internet. With 800 watts of power dissipation and 24,576 shader units, the GPU is beyond good and evil.

www.pcworld.com

Yep. Not going to be an 5090TI without being able to plug it directly in to the sun.

At least we'd have the environmentally friendly packaging! Lol.

 

[xaldub]

I think your under estimating the 5090 resale value substantially. It will still have 32gb of vram, still be amazing for AI and almost certainly the 60 series will have months of supply issues and expensive on launch. Nvidia never really gives performance for free anymore and AMD are too far behind to be a threat at the top end.

Will have to agree to disagree. I'm basing my assumption on what happened to the resale value of the 3090 when the 4000 series launched ... it literally halved ( or less ). If the 6000 series is on a new node then that will happen again.

 

[RevBillyG]

I'll be coming from a 2070 super to a 5080 (primarily for Automobilista 2 on Quest 3).
Im hoping to see a difference

 

[Hostile_18]

Will have to agree to disagree. I'm basing my assumption on what happened to the resale value of the 3090 when the 4000 series launched ... it literally halved ( or less ). If the 6000 series is on a new node then that will happen again.

That depends on so many unlikely factors though;

1: There will be no supply issues.
2: Buinness interests in these cards will have died off.
3: Nvidia will price the new series better than they have in years, passing tech advancement increases on to their customers.
4: 3-2 NM will be reasonable to manufacture.
5: Nvidia will lower the value of their own product stack (rather than cut supply months before).
6: Most leading tech experts saying large gains are a thing of the past being wrong.
7: Potential buyers on market sites are all clued up about what is coming out in the next few months.

I mean if all that really does happen I'll take the loss and be happy for everyone, but I doubt it.

 

[D3K]

Will be in the USA soon so can pick a 5090 up for £1600 best cast with no sales tax, or more like £1700 in one of the other states.

It's still not enough of a saving to warrant an upgrade from 4090. Gonna grit teeth and hope that they make MFG backwards compatible with older gens.

 

[Absolutely Clueless]

Will be in the USA soon so can pick a 5090 up for £1600 best cast with no sales tax, or more like £1700 in one of the other states.

It's still not enough of a saving to warrant an upgrade from 4090. Gonna grit teeth and hope that they make MFG backwards compatible with older gens.

Hello hello. This is HMRC calling. Please share your flight details so we can grab you on the way back through customs.

 

[harmattan]

Hello hello. This is HMRC calling. Please share your flight details so we can grab you on the way back through customs.

It warms my heart, as an American who has dealt with cross-country shipping and customs in the UK for years (personal and business), think they can just rock up, buy a "cheaper" video card in the US, and get back through customs without risking getting caught. It's adorably naive.

A video card, unlike a laptop which you can possibly claim as a personal electronic item, is subject to customs duty. There's no way around it, and customs officers know exactly what to look for. You "might" get through, but if not, you're going to pay duty AND a hefty fine enough to ruin your year.

If this wasn't the case, I'd be porting hardware back and forth 5-6 times a year on my trips back-forth.

 

[hornetstinger]

It warms my heart, as an American who has dealt with cross-country shipping and customs in the UK for years (personal and business), think they can just rock up, buy a "cheaper" video card in the US, and get back through customs without risking getting caught. It's adorably naive.

A video card, unlike a laptop which you can possibly claim as a personal electronic item, is subject to customs duty. There's no way around it, and customs officers know exactly what to look for. You "might" get through, but if not, you're going to pay duty AND a hefty fine enough to ruin your year.

If this wasn't the case, I'd be porting hardware back and forth 5-6 times a year on my trips back-forth.

Smuggle it like this?

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[Hostile_18]

It warms my heart, as an American who has dealt with cross-country shipping and customs in the UK for years (personal and business), think they can just rock up, buy a "cheaper" video card in the US, and get back through customs without risking getting caught. It's adorably naive.

A video card, unlike a laptop which you can possibly claim as a personal electronic item, is subject to customs duty. There's no way around it, and customs officers know exactly what to look for. You "might" get through, but if not, you're going to pay duty AND a hefty fine enough to ruin your year.

If this wasn't the case, I'd be porting hardware back and forth 5-6 times a year on my trips back-forth.

What if its a gift from Uncle Jensen?

 

[BeadyRoller]

Thinking of getting a 5070ti if possible or a second hand 4070ti to keep price down as budget is tight. Do we think the 5070ti will have a big enough boost over the 4070ti to justify it?

 

[D3K]

Hello hello. This is HMRC calling. Please share your flight details so we can grab you on the way back through customs.

It warms my heart, as an American who has dealt with cross-country shipping and customs in the UK for years (personal and business), think they can just rock up, buy a "cheaper" video card in the US, and get back through customs without risking getting caught. It's adorably naive.

A video card, unlike a laptop which you can possibly claim as a personal electronic item, is subject to customs duty. There's no way around it, and customs officers know exactly what to look for. You "might" get through, but if not, you're going to pay duty AND a hefty fine enough to ruin your year.

If this wasn't the case, I'd be porting hardware back and forth 5-6 times a year on my trips back-forth.

You two are cute. I've brought back 2 iphones and 2 ipads in the last 4 months.

However, in this instance I'll be moving over there so nothing to bring back.

 

[Sedgey123]

Regardless of whether you think the 4090 will hold value or the 5090 will when the 6090 comes, what does it really matter?

Maybe im the odd one but when i made my purchase of the 4090 on release i wasn't thinking about the resale value when the next gen came along.. i was just looking forward to owning it and having the best i can get for the next 2 years.
Everyone knows when you purchase the latest and greatest GPU that in 2 years the next generation will come and the next flagship will perform better, so i don't understand some comments by people here thinking 4090's owners care that something better is coming out.. everyone knows thats going to happen.

How many here will go out and buy a new car which instantly loses value as soon as you drive it off the forecourt.. but you dont care as its what you want and you will hopefully be hapy with it.

 

[Absolutely Clueless]

Regardless of whether you think the 4090 will hold value or the 5090 will when the 6090 comes, what does it really matter?

Maybe im the odd one but when i made my purchase of the 4090 on release i wasn't thinking about the resale value when the next gen came along.. i was just looking forward to owning it and having the best i can get for the next 2 years.
Everyone knows when you purchase the latest and greatest GPU that in 2 years the next generation will come and the next flagship will perform better, so i don't understand some comments by people here thinking 4090's owners care that something better is coming out.. everyone knows thats going to happen.

How many here will go out and buy a new car which instantly loses value as soon as you drive it off the forecourt.. but you dont care as its what you want and you will hopefully be hapy with it.

I agree with this, and that was my thinking exactly when I bought it. But if we aren't allowed to discuss some very questionable man maths in this threat, with fellow nerds, then where can we?!

 

[Sedgey123]

I agree with this, and that was my thinking exactly when I bought it. But if we aren't allowed to discuss some very questionable man maths in this threat, with fellow nerds, then where can we?!

Haha very true!

 

[Tinek]

100% this. That 32GB of VRAM and its AI capabilities mean that it is already worth more than its RRP.

Yes and no. It's much faster in very simple, low accuracy AI models - like the ones used in DLSS4 etc. where performance matter more than accuracy/quality, as you need to run those hundreds of times a second. With proper AI models, that take seconds+ to process, which are used widely today outside of gaming, it's at most just about 30% faster than 4090 (as benchmarks revealed), so not really that big of an improvement. It has some other (non-AI related) improvements for Pro users over 4000 series, like new video encoders etc. but that's a niche usecase, comparing to numbers of gamers. Pro users will get it mostly because they can't get new 4000 series anymore, so they won't have much of a choice. The moment 6k series comes, they'll move on to that and not to used 5k series, though. Hence, IF 6k series is much better in gaming (at the moment nothing suggest it will be) then 5k could lose value rapidly (so would 4k at that point), as Pro users do NOT buy used GPUs usually, they go for new ones with full proper warranty and long-term support.

 

[Bidley]

I'd like to coin the term "GPUcenomics".

Definition: The equation(s) used to justify spending large amounts of money on GPUs every generation

 

[Tinek]

Regardless of whether you think the 4090 will hold value or the 5090 will when the 6090 comes, what does it really matter?

Maybe im the odd one but when i made my purchase of the 4090 on release i wasn't thinking about the resale value when the next gen came along.. i was just looking forward to owning it and having the best i can get for the next 2 years.
Everyone knows when you purchase the latest and greatest GPU that in 2 years the next generation will come and the next flagship will perform better, so i don't understand some comments by people here thinking 4090's owners care that something better is coming out.. everyone knows thats going to happen.

How many here will go out and buy a new car which instantly loses value as soon as you drive it off the forecourt.. but you dont care as its what you want and you will hopefully be hapy with it.

The moment GPUs started to encroach with pricing into area of cars and the likes, is the moment a lot of people started to think about them like they do about the cars and resale value started to matter a lot. These became too expensive to be just a fun toys for a lot of people (even though in reality still are), it seems. I myself changed GPUs for many generations now, never adding a penny to this (and often getting more monies for selling than I bought - thanks to few crypto booms etc.) and 4090 is the first GPU I bought in like 20? years that I had to actually add a bit of monies to. What other hobby can one have which can be smartly "forever" upgraded without adding any monies to it? Hell, if I decided to sell 4090, I'd likely come up on top once again, but this is the first time I couldn't just upgrade to another one for "free" anymore, as better stuff would be again considerably more expensive with close to 0 availability it seems.