Nvidia DLSS 5 months on-a win or fail?

Poneros · 12 Jul 2019 at 19:07

Panos said:
But someone did test it, and you running around since yesterday to do firefighting.

This is called projection.

JediFragger · 12 Jul 2019 at 19:35

Poneros said:
My hope is that for the next gen launch they'll start moving on to DLSS 2x.

Hopefully they will have learned a lot from this 1st Gen DLSS and can improve it massively

Aretak · 12 Jul 2019 at 20:04

Poneros said:
This is called projection.

This is called deflection.

Poneros · 12 Jul 2019 at 20:13

Aretak said:
This is called deflection.

Are you fighting hallucinations too? Awesome, noted.

Edit: And here's what I mean, to make it clear. Panos is hallucinating me defending DLSS, even though all I did was post a news article, and would never personally use it & have been slamming it since it was announced.

But never mind, there's a simple solution to all this.

AthlonXP1800 · 18 Jul 2019 at 06:21

Anthem released back in April looked stunning with DLSS on. Amazed to see no blurriness.

Nvidia was finally done it right fixed blurriness for 1st DLSS win.

AthlonXP1800 · 18 Jul 2019 at 06:30

I found 2 Monster Hunter World with DLSS videos was uploaded to youtube hours ago.

4K 60 fps DLSS on RTX 2080 Ti

8K 30 fps DLSS on RTX 2080 Ti

Incredible 8K DLSS playable performance on a single RTX 2080 Ti, absolutely no blurriness. When turned off DLSS caused game unplayable at 8K.

2nd DLSS win!

Next generation Ampere GPU will be able to run Monster Hunter World at 8K 60 fps probably with DLSS 2X on.

Poneros · 18 Jul 2019 at 12:30

Finally! Been hoping for 8K dlss since this got announced. This a game changer for me! Now it just needs to exist in games I play.

edit: 4k shots https://imgur.com/a/nJ4Wrp2

Grim5 · 18 Jul 2019 at 21:45

OK, now 8k DLSS is actually pretty cool because in theory it should be quite clean if viewed on a 4k screen. Playing on an 8k screen will be blurry, but it's downsampled and may look even cleaner than native 4k

Jacky60 · 18 Jul 2019 at 22:20

Poneros said:

So it cuts fps by 30% AND manages to reduce image quality into a blurred approximation of how it looks without DLSS.
Where do I sign up? I've never seen a 'feature' of a GPU combine two negatives so effectively. This is literally a joke and anyone arguing otherwise
needs glasses and psychiatric help. If the fps figures were reversed so the blurred image was at the higher fps I'd still say no but adding insult
to injury means you get to pay extra, lose fps AND get worse image quality.

Poneros · 18 Jul 2019 at 22:31

Jacky60 said:
So it cuts fps by 30% AND manages to reduce image quality into a blurred approximation of how it looks without DLSS.
Where do I sign up? I've never seen a 'feature' of a GPU combine two negatives so effectively. This is literally a joke and anyone arguing otherwise
needs glasses and psychiatric help. If the fps figures were reversed so the blurred image was at the higher fps I'd still say no but adding insult
to injury means you get to pay extra, lose fps AND get worse image quality.

In the DLSS example it also has Ray Tracing enabled, hence the lower fps.

Panos · 18 Jul 2019 at 22:42

Poneros said:
In the DLSS example it also has Ray Tracing enabled, hence the lower fps.

Yet the image quality is pants, so Ray Tracing does nothing when looks like a game from 2005. @Jacky60 is right here.

Jacky60 · 19 Jul 2019 at 06:54

Poneros said:
In the DLSS example it also has Ray Tracing enabled, hence the lower fps.

I didn't notice the RTX bit but it seems now we have the Holy trinity of RTX and DLSS combined with a very high price which together deliver a **** image quality.
I hope for the sake of all who bought RTX/DLSS that this changes but from what I've seen its hard to argue DLSS is delivering anything other than a blurred mess.

DarrenM343 · 19 Jul 2019 at 07:05

Jacky60 said:
I didn't notice the RTX bit but it seems now we have the Holy trinity of RTX and DLSS combined with a very high price which together deliver a **** image quality.
I hope for the sake of all who bought RTX/DLSS that this changes but from what I've seen its hard to argue DLSS is delivering anything other than a blurred mess.

Are you still talking about BFV? I thought other games (Metro at least) had much better image quality with DLSS? I'm playing it at the moment and without comparing it to DLSS off, I've not noticed any blurriness. Looks pretty good to me. I'll compare with it off at some point tho.

Most people simply won't care. It's getting the balance right(FPS vs IQ) to the point where most people don't notice it....unless they do side by side comparisons and examine with a magnifying glass.
Ive said this a few times now but I found the performance worse in Far Cry new dawn and the IQ about the same (no RT or DLSS) as BFV RT & DLSS. So, to me it boils down to how good the implementation is. BFV without DLSS might be exceptional IQ but with DLSS on the IQ to me is no worse than New Dawn.

Jacky60 · 19 Jul 2019 at 07:47

DarrenM343 said:
Are you still talking about BFV? I thought other games (Metro at least) had much better image quality with DLSS? I'm playing it at the moment and without comparing it to DLSS off, I've not noticed any blurriness. Looks pretty good to me. I'll compare with it off at some point tho.

Most people simply won't care. It's getting the balance right(FPS vs IQ) to the point where most people don't notice it....unless they do side by side comparisons and examine with a magnifying glass.
Ive said this a few times now but I found the performance worse in Far Cry new dawn and the IQ about the same (no RT or DLSS) as BFV RT & DLSS. So, to me it boils down to how good the implementation is. BFV without DLSS might be exceptional IQ but with DLSS on the IQ to me is no worse than New Dawn.

I'm referring to the Metro Exodus comparison posted by Poneros. I can't speak from experience only from what others have posted. I'd imagine BFV is
implemented well and I don't doubt the technology has potential its just seeing any examples of shoddy implementation does beg the question "Why
did they bother?'.

DarrenM343 · 19 Jul 2019 at 08:17

Jacky60 said:
I'm referring to the Metro Exodus comparison posted by Poneros. I can't speak from experience only from what others have posted. I'd imagine BFV is
implemented well and I don't doubt the technology has potential its just seeing any examples of shoddy implementation does beg the question "Why
did they bother?'.

I think RT and DLSS implemented better in Metro than BFV but BFV is pretty sharp without DLSS>
It's difficult to comment without first hand experience IMO. As above, most won't even notice the difference unless examining. And who knows what NV is thinking when optimising the solution. Seems to be a trade off but if you compare across games, games with DLSS might look no worse than the average game out there that doesn't even use it.
Still early days for the technology to be honest, for both RT and DLSS. NV IMO know what they're doing, as do AMD.

Jacky60 · 19 Jul 2019 at 08:53

DarrenM343 said:
I think RT and DLSS implemented better in Metro than BFV but BFV is pretty sharp without DLSS>
It's difficult to comment without first hand experience IMO. As above, most won't even notice the difference unless examining. And who knows what NV is thinking when optimising the solution. Seems to be a trade off but if you compare across games, games with DLSS might look no worse than the average game out there that doesn't even use it.
Still early days for the technology to be honest, for both RT and DLSS. NV IMO know what they're doing, as do AMD.

Watch the Metro Exodus video above, if that's an example of a 'better' implementation of RT and DLSS then there's simply no future for the technology, it's a turgid appalling blurry mess. I rather assumed that was a bad/worse case example not a supposedly 'good' example of its implementation.
The image without RT and DLSS is crisp and super sharp and runs significantly faster than the 'vaseline' image Nvidia's futuristic technology gives us. The difference in image quality isn't subtle it's colossal and it's in every way worse with RT and DLSS.

Grim5 · 19 Jul 2019 at 09:33

Jacky60 said:
Watch the Metro Exodus video above, if that's an example of a 'better' implementation of RT and DLSS then there's simply no future for the technology, it's a turgid appalling blurry mess. I rather assumed that was a bad/worse case example not a supposedly 'good' example of its implementation.
The image without RT and DLSS is crisp and super sharp and runs significantly faster than the 'vaseline' image Nvidia's futuristic technology gives us. The difference in image quality isn't subtle it's colossal and it's in every way worse with RT and DLSS.

Poneros · 19 Jul 2019 at 11:11

Jacky60 · 19 Jul 2019 at 11:50

Grim5 said:

Well that implementation of RTX certainly looks fabulous. Are we seeing DLSS as well in this? It isn't made clear but I'd not dispute RTX is
a big leap forward just whether the performance hit (never mind the astronomical price) is worth it.
DLSS combined with RTX in the previous Metro Exodus video certainly degrades the image quality so there seems to be a discrepancy somewhere
between two the videos. One with RTX and DLSS which is definitely blurry and looks **** and one where we have RTX on, where we may or may not have DLSS on
and it looks very crisp and clear.
DLSS looks to be responsible for the blurring, correct me if I'm wrong.

Jacky60 · 19 Jul 2019 at 11:56

Poneros said:

Well yes we get two equally blurry images and DLSS improves FPS in one of them. I'd call that lose, lose but I guess
if you build a game to have **** image quality and be blurry then DLSS will improve the FPS. I'm not sure how much of a success
that is but hey.